CINDY: Uh huh. Was it important for you to give the victims a voice in this film? ): And we pulled over to the side, by the side of the house, and I proceeded to give him a blowjob. (crying) Its nice because I can watch it from an outsiders perspective and be sucked into it, which is cool. The date on her grave marker is April 24, 1984, one day off the date the body was found. Today, my ideas as an individual come from confidence founded on who I really am, versus the persona. The Butcher Baker Minisode. Instead he would immediately force her to board his small bush plane, and hed fly her out to a desolate area near Knik River where he would sexually assault her in a little shack which hed occupied there. In her case, becoming authentic on the job took 10-plus years. Hudgens: I think that theyre doing one. What Cindy Paulson escaped is mind-numbing. To the left is the basement. CINDY: (interrupting) It was an older car. CINDY: I could say the time but it may not be the correct one. FLOTHE: Like this? Glenn Flothe, AST. CINDY: The automatic opener. FLOTHE: And when did you hear from him again? If you do exactly what I tell you and don't give me any problem whatsoever, there's going to be no -- you won't get hurt in any way, shape or form," Hansen told troopers, according to news accounts at the time. BC is creating the space for more diverse thoughts and experiences and bringing better solutions to our clients as a result, she adds. See how my sights are painted with an orange CINDY: Same. Your email address will not be published. Hansen served time briefly at Lemon Creek Correctional Center in Juneau until authorities found escape plans stashed among his belongings and sent him to Seward, officials said at the time. And it had a long barrel (turning of pages) like Figure 4 or (pause) Figure 2. Daigle, the corrections official, said that as far as she knows Hansen never saw the film. CINDY: No. One of my greatest aspirations is to change the entire industry, creating a space that embraces the full range of potential and diversity that humans bring.. Was it fun watching them go toe to toe? As was Hansens wont, he wanted to feel things out. Investigators are certain that number 17 is small it is thought that Roberts body count is really in the thirties. CINDY: The same person. Required fields are marked *. What about Gimme Shelter which is completed? It was super fun and really quick. CINDY: Yeah. Big ol like caribou and goats heads, big ones stuffed everywhere. CINDY: The garage was opened. FLOTHE: There is a kind of lightish scar there on your He used it to stab her in the back, he said. FLOTHE: How did you know that? He was also an avid hunter. Cindy later recounted that Robert had offered her $200 bucks for oral sex, and that hed pulled a gun on her just as soon as she stepped inside his vehicle; the teen was driven back to Roberts home where she was chained to a beam by her throat, raped, and tortured for several hours. Its by far the craziest transformation Ive had yet. I always wanted to do dramas. Flothe said. FLOTHE: OK. Its been some time since you last talked to him, in fact, its been quite some time. Women were tortured, beaten and assaulted before being blindfolded, with their hands bound behind their backs and told to run. CINDY: OK, well I had got in the car to give the guy a blowjob. And he had cuffed one of my hands, and I was trying to get loose and he pulled out a gun. John A. Paulson founded Paulson & Co., an investment management firm based in New York. Thats what it takes for teams to bring their best selves to work every day.. Roberts father, an overbearing man who never did care to have a decent relationship with his son, expected young Robert to be busy at work in the familys bakery whenever he wasnt in school. Hansen was officially charged with the abduction and rape of Cindy Paulson and the murders of Joanna Messina, Sherry Morrow, Paula Goulding, and the unidentified body known as "Eklutna Annie." On February 28, 1984, Robert Hansen was sentenced to 461 years plus life in prison with no parole. Though he was doing so well in his new life, Roberts dark urges grew stronger by the day; he could and very often did hunt all of the Alaskan game that he liked, but each kill steadily grew less satisfying than the last. Hes amazing. Now, from reading your report apparently you had a pretty good description of the house that you gave the police. In this installment, Cindy talks about and proves her observational powers, in this case related to Robert Hansens house on Old Harbor Road. Rothschild recounted watching Hansen transform into "the monster he was" the day prosecutors sat down with Hansen and laid out the evidence against him. A MAJOR PHILANTHROPIST. Survivor Cindy, who is a married mother of three today. Way down on the floor. Do you know your way around town well, or why did you happen to remember so well where it was at? And that he had to work and he couldnt do it then. Wife is shocked after husband of 15 years asks for permission to have an affair: 'I don't know what to do'. This actually wasnt an uncommon thing for parents to do during this time period, plenty of us lefties in past generations were forced to conform, but apparently this deeply scarred this young man. No comments have so far been submitted. In order to keep their witness close, the state trooper and his wife befriended the young survivor, then Glenn reached out to the FBI. Required fields are marked *. It was plain. FLOTHE: Make sure you look through the whole book before you decide. Glenn had been involved in the investigation of three murdered women; these victims had obviously been connected, they had all been discovered at least partially nude, theyd been shot with the same type of firearm, and buried in a shallow grave. That was everywhere in the whole In the basement there was fish, there was wolf skin, there was stuffed animals everywhere. Anchorage's jail is one of the state's only correctional facilities with a medical unit. FLOTHE: Now you mentioned this airplane seat. Normally, people try avoiding that. Hansen later told investigators that his first kill involved a woman he assumed to be a topless dancer or prostitute. FLOTHE: I have its kind of a picture book with different types of guns in it, OK. Would you take a look through that picture book and see if you see a gun that might be similar to the one that this man had? On his terms. CINDY: (interrupting) Well, I went over there cause at first I didnt recognize him. It was funny though, cause before, when he was getting ready to take me to his cabin, he said that, um, there had been seven other girls before me. After hed heard what Cindy had to say, Glenn knew a few things to be true. Required fields are marked *. FLOTHE: OK. "He's one of those kind of guys that you kind of hope every breath he takes in his life, there's some pain associated with it, because he caused such pain," Rothschild said. Email khopkins@adn.com. And um, after he had got the condom on, I kept doing it, and then he kept feeling around my neck, like he was just trippin, playing around with my neck and my necklaces. Her ability to accurately describe every detail of her ordeal was crucial to establishing her credibility as a witness. What was it like working with Nicolas Cage and John Cusack? CINDY: The Buick Century. Whether shed been taken to his house or not, in the end these women (or the known victims at least) wound up in the Alaskan wilderness. Vanessa Hudgens turns in a surprisingly raw and emotionally powerful performance in Scott Walkers suspenseful thriller, The Frozen Ground, as 17-year-old street hooker Cindy Paulson, one of the few victims that managed to escape Alaskas most notorious serial killer, Robert Hansen (John Cusack). How do you feel about the final film now that youve seen it? Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. We are all the same. Or was it some other color? FLOTHE: You also described the outside of the house. Buck teeth. So its immoral to make snap judgments about people. CINDY: Because when I drove past the house there was a sign that said Dead End. Glenn Flothe, AST. There. I think it will be a fun change of pace for me. "I can still see him when he got livid like that," he said. Hansen asked to speak with his attorneys and went out into another room. He had rolled the window down and I opened the door and I sat down and I talked to him. At the motel, police found 17-year-old Cindy Paulson, still handcuffed, huddled fearfully in a room. Workers and drug dealers and dancers came and went, many with few ties to the state and no one to notice if they went missing. FLOTHE: Thank you. FLOTHE: Turning the tape off at 8:34 pm. He would abduct the women and take them to remote places outside the city, sometimes driving them and other times he would fly his private plane. I need a cheap laptop, microphones, etc. All throughout the mid seventies and even into the eighties Robert carried on with his hobby of abducting and murdering women, and theres no telling how much longer he wouldve lasted had he not decided to attack a 17 year old girl by the name of Cindy Paulson in June of 83. Ducks and birds. Your email address will not be published. But then, after that, I could not get over the fact of how amazing this character was and how I had to be a part of it. FLOTHE: OK. FLOTHE: Friday morning. It just felt (inaudible) and he pulled the gun out and that time he had handcuffs on my hands and I couldnt get the door open. Why dont we start then with what will be freshest in mind, which is the the cases that are pending now and from what happened in June of last year. to start my podcast and YouTube channel. Her eventual getaway was central to Hansen's ultimate capture and confession to the murder of dozens of women. CINDY: Right around Fourth and Denali. We just want her to be identified.'. Four door. You mentioned a minute ago, Cindy, that he wanted you to go home with him, or something, and you didnt want to go home with him, or Police soon picked the killer up for questioning, but when it came down to it, a mild mannered baker with a rap sheet was still more believable in the early eighties than a half naked, handcuffed and barefooted teenaged sex worker. CINDY: And then after I looked I recognized him. You rarely see mention of them, other than the fact that they existed, and I read through multiple articles before I even spotted Mrs. Hansens first name. Kids in England had to wear masks at school because No10 'didn't want an argument' with Nicola Sturgeon - Health ministers knew there was no evidence to justify making kids abide by rule of 6 - but No10 'didn't Matt Hancock branded teaching unions 'absolute a**es' in leaked WhatsApp messages with then-education Holiday home owners in Scotland face new SNP tax hike under plans from front-runner to be new First Scotland should just self-identify as an independent country, one SNP member proposed. Your email address will not be published. Glenn took what the FBI had said along with Cindys account of what Robert had done to her, and he obtained a search warrant for his suspects dwelling. He was the lead reporter on the Pulitzer Prize-winning "Lawless" project and is part of an ongoing collaboration between the ADN and ProPublica's Local Reporting Network. She left the ADN in October 2018. Cause that was the smallest he had. Im sorry I dont remember the right dates and so forth. [Installment Three]. CINDY: Its blue with a big ol picture window and the whole house is If you drive down Old Harbor Road, the windows on the right side and the garage is to the left. Hansen grew up in Iowa, the son of immigrant bakers. What are your thoughts on the reception to Spring Breakers? CINDY: Nope. CINDY: Yes. CINDY: Regular Just working boots. CINDY: Number five. Thats another character that I dove very deeply into. It turned into a cat and mouse chase. CINDY: Thats it. He spent many of the final years of his life working as a jailhouse barber. Then he had got my other hand cuffed, I dont know how he did it, it was just frightening, cause I didnt really I fought, but not a lot, cause I knew he would do something. The avid hunter would strip his victim naked (often in subzero temperatures) and simply set her free. Let's get it straight: "My wife befriended Cindy for months at all hours of the night and morning without ever meeting her until two days before she was to testify against Hansen. Being authentic creates the space for diversity of thought and means drawing on experiences that fall outside the box. CINDY: Um hmm. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. One night she picked up a small, skinny client with a pock-marked face who wore glasses and spoke with a stutter. Being able to take those and meditate on them myself and make her memories my own memories put me in the right head space. Hansens Weapon Cache (courtesy Alaska State Troopers; found in the attic of Hansens residence; note the handgun at center left), Your email address will not be published. Cindy Paulson Interview with Sgt. And hes short. Your email address will not be published. CINDY: Uh huh. What did you learn about yourself in the process of making this film? I feel like women have an easier time separating from their characters than men do, honestly. And it may not even be in there. His health failing, Hansen was moved to the Anchorage Correctional Complex on May 11. If it was something technical, of course, it would take a couple more takes, but for the most part, hes the kind of director that filled me in, let me know the mood that he wanted to convey and where he wanted it to land. Robert Christian Hansen (the Butcher Baker) and the Delphi Murde All throughout the mid seventies and even into the eighties Robert carried on with his hobby of abducting and murdering women, and there's no telling how much longer he would've lasted had he not decided to attack a 17 year old girl by the name of Cindy Paulson in June of '83. Too often, Robert Hansen was believed instead of the women, many of them dancers or prostitutes, who testified against him. FLOTHE: What did he ask you? When he reached the Glenn Highway, he kept driving. Interview with Cindy Morgan DontHateTheGeek 2.2K views 10 years ago Whiplash Final Scene - Andrew Neyman's Performance Awais Irfan 14M views 7 years ago Ned Lightner 52K views 9 years ago The. FLOTHE: Wasnt painted. FLOTHE: Were you shown any pictures of him before? He was right to worry, state officials later said. He intended to do the same with Cindy on June 13, 1983. It is so nice when you dont have to build a character from the ground up by yourself. FLOTHE: What kind of boots? Just him by himself. Black or brown? You know, like mine is. Im not going to help you do that, all right? Here for the first time are the tape recordings that document that rendezvous. or debate this issue live on our message boards. CINDY: Nope. Hansens Truck & Datsun Close-up (copyright Leland E. Hale). On June 13, 1983, Cindy Paulson was kidnapped and raped, her life threatened by Robert Hansen. CINDY: Hey, for a blowjob in the car, hell yeah. The others were never located. I chatted there with her a little bit and, uh, made an agreement with her that I was going to see her sometime. It shows just how desolate the area is, these poor women really didnt have a snowballs chance. CINDY: Sunday. Learn how your comment data is processed. Previously I would avoid the conversation about my significant other, she says. We must find our commonalities through sharing our experiences, spreading awareness, and caring for one another. For the life of me, i cant see any reason why the state of Alaska, or anyone would keep robert Hansen alive after his conviction Why would you keep a monster like this alive and have the peoples tax money feed such an animal for years.. Cant wrap my head around it.. Alaska does not have the death penalty and has never had it (since Statehood). And so, I was guided along very beautifully by them. We recently landed an exclusive interview with Hudgens who talked about her reaction when she first read the script, how meeting the real Cindy Paulson helped inform her portrayal of the character, why it was important to her that audiences see Paulson as a real human being and not a stereotype, what she learned from working with experienced actors like Cage and Cusack who inspired her performance, how Walkers enthusiasm and energy kept the atmosphere on set upbeat despite the dark subject matter, and what she discovered about herself in the process of making the film. But it would be simple psychopaths are master manipulators and first class liars. That was why [Hansen] kept telling me to lay down. Lemon Creek Superintendent Dan Carothers called it "the bust of the decade" for Alaska prison officials. He had been transferred to the hospital on Wednesday. I just wanted to make her as full-hearted as I possibly could. *Though its not super graphic or bloody, this article does contain a couple of images of the killer posing with hunted game animals. And she, uh, cant remember if she wasnt there or she couldnt couldt meet me. The killer had been in declining health for the past year, the department said. With a cut in the back. FLOTHE: Did he tell you what his name was? Hudgens: I dont like talking about anything until I sign my contract, which I havent done yet, but it will happen most likely pretty soon. I think before you mentioned something being on the roof of the house. FLOTHE: About how long did you have contact with him on Friday? He picked her up in town and told her he was driving her to his home in Muldoon, he said. Other times, he would let the women go free in the wilderness and then hunt them with his rifle. In this installment, Cindy provides additional information about how she met and ended up with Robert Hansen. I mean, bills, or did he just give you the change? And then we hear about the same meet up from Cindy Paulsons perspective, documented in her trooper interview with Sgt. Identifying and finding Hansen's weapon cache would prove essential to making the murder case against the " Butcher, Baker ." The serial killer wasnt even on the suspect list anymore, hed been completely cleared. Is there anything else that you have coming up? How did you approach your portrayal of Cindy? It had a long barrel. CINDY: I gave him the number at the Big Timber. The trooper instinctively knew that the girl had been telling the whole truth, that Robert was his killer, and more women were going to die unless he was quickly stopped. Glenn Flothe. FLOTHE: Or did he give you any money? CINDY: Yeah. CINDY: It was a really dark color. FLOTHE: Really dark color. FLOTHE: When you got into the car, and you were giving him a head job, is that when he pulled out the gun? Required fields are marked *. She had been engaging in sex work. (inaudible). She was a prostitute who was kidnapped and raped before managing to escape, but when she went to the police, Hansen evaded arrest because the lead investigator didn't . I wanted her to be like a real human being because its easy to label someone whos stuck in that circumstance. And who showed you those pictures? (laughs) Its my monster of sorts. Cindy coughs.) Alaska serial killer Robert Hansen, who killed as many as 21 women, died Thursday at an Anchorage hospital. The remains of an unidentified victim of an Alaskan serial killer who hunted down his victims as if they were game have been exhumed in a bid to establish who she was. Hansen would kidnap the women at gunpoint, tie them up, then fly to remote areas to kill them. It was during this 30 month prison stint that he was diagnosed as bipolar with schizophrenic episodes, and wife number one filed for a divorce. I understand youre in early talks for The Kitchen Sink which has been described as a monster genre mash-up. You enjoy my work and would like to read exclusive articles, you can join my Patreon for as little as $3! Uh, FR: Would it have been during the time when your wife and children were out of. I actually shot that before I filmed this (The Frozen Ground) interestingly enough. FLOTHE: And did you pick an individual out that was FLOTHE: Do you feel that he was going to hurt you? I just had no idea what it would be like for me to be fully authentic at work.. "In his mind there were good girls and bad girls.". Robert Hansen confessed to killing 17 women in the 1970s and early 80s and after the murder 30 years ago, led authorities to her body near a lake in the north of Anchorage. The stuffed heads of the animals which hed killed lined his walls, and damming items such as unique jewelry pieces which could easily be linked back to many of the missing women were found within the home as well. CINDY: I talked to him and made an appointment to meet him and I didnt show up. Mr Hoage said the woman was among cases of unidentified and missing people that were being reviewed by the center, with authorities receiving permission for the exhumation, the day before Hansen died. Being authentic creates the space for diversity of thought and means drawing on experiences that fall outside the box. And he had a green shirt or else it was plaid. We all have the same needs. Wanted to put some distance between them, in time and space, just in case somebody had seen them together. FLOTHE: How did he get in? And we got to the house and he drug me downstairs to the as soon as you walk in theres a carpet to the right. CINDY: He just drove by. (sound of paper being torn off a tablet) While she was in her element, developing regional client solutions with diversely talented teams, she realized that her clients and many colleagues did not know much about her personal life. All Rights Reserved., https://lelandhale.com/butcherbaker/wordpress/2017/09/08/robert-hansen-graves-along-knik/, Killers found not guilty by reason of insanity. And he had called me and I slept through it. CINDY: I think he gave me a five. Cindy Paulson was just 17 years old when she moved to Anchorage Alaska. The go-to source for comic book and superhero movie fans. Scott did an amazing job at keeping a very steady uproar and pace. Just his whole work ethic I found fascinating, so I jumped at the opportunity to be able to do something with him. FLOTHE: Hmm. Cindy Paulson is Portrayed by Vanessa Hudgens In The Film 17 Year Old Cindy Paulson is handcuffed and screaming for help. CINDY: About eleven, eleven-thirty. Employee-owned firm continues pioneering legacy of technical excellence, innovation, and talent growth, Brown and Caldwell engineers share their inspirational stories. FLOTHE: Either he had opened it or it was already open? Hansens Den (Alaska State Troopers) Glenn Flothe, AST. FLOTHE: At what time did he call you on Saturday? Handle was brown. CINDY: Um hmm He joined the ADN in 2004 and was also an editor and investigative reporter at KTUU-TV. I guess Im superstitious, so I dont like talking about things until they happen, but there are a few things in the works. STEPHEN Don't just stick to the Malbec! A metallic green Buick Century. FLOTHE: And what color were his boots? FLOTHE: On the inside of your left wrist. FLOTHE: At this time, so I know what youre talking about, cause I have not been in the house, Cindy After hed taken a nap, Cindys kidnapper informed her that they were going on a little trip on his plane, but that she shouldnt be alarmed as hed already taken seven other women out to this location. FLOTHE: This car that was in the driveway how new or old was this car? When police were able to interview her, she explained her grizzly tale in detail. So he felt he should go and get the girl and take her over to his house. Robert thoroughly enjoyed hunting humans; these ladies were savagely murdered with his favorite weapons: a Ruger Mini-14 and a hunting knife. What made you want to do it? There are so many different genres out there to do, so many different characters to play, so many different amazing actors and directors to work with. 17-year-old Cindy Paulson ran away from Hansen in 1983 as he was trying to load her into his plane and "take her out to his cabin," presumably a euphemism for the vacant Alaskan wilderness where he gunned down his victims. CINDY: Uh huh. FLOTHE: I wanna show you six pictures, Cindy, and the person that were talking about may or may not be in here. CINDY: Uh huh. FLOTHE: Oh and you saw a sign that said Dead End? FLOTHE: Would you recognize this metal seat if you saw it again, do you think? There were horns. And then up here on my hand, right in the middle. Investigators have said that in some instances Hansen would rape the women but return them to Anchorage, warning them not to contact authorities. 2022 Anchorage Daily News. The woman, who was believed to in her late teens was found on April 25, 1984, near Horseshoe Lake. I mean The only thing which he ever seemed to truly succeed in, the one thing which others commended him for, were his exceptional hunting skills. Identifying and finding Hansens weapon cache would prove essential to making the murder case against the Butcher, Baker. [Installment Two]. It seems that every source I looked at says something different, though generally within those three years. Paulson told Flothe in her interview, which is published in full on Leland Hale's website, the man who wrote Butcher, Baker: The True Account of an Alaskan Serial Killer: CINDY: He just said,. CINDY: It was about maybe four in the morning, three-thirty in the morning. Does he tell you anything at that point, once hes got the handcuffs on In this installment, Cindy talks about and proves her observational powers, in this case related to Robert Hansen's house on Old Harbor Road. FLOTHE: Did you have conversation, then, with him on Friday? But aside from that, he just let me play and take it wherever I wanted. Im a little confused about when the airplane seat got in and out of the car. CINDY: Yep. Glenn Flothe, AST. (inaudible) The horns that were up there, the big ol antler horns, theyre called. He joined the ADN in 2004. CINDY: Uh huh. Your email address will not be published. She described the kidnapper and his plane to authorities, but when police questioned him, he had an alibi and a gentle demeanor, so they let him go. Join Facebook to connect with Cindy Paulson and others you may know. As you know, the only electronic I open is a crappy android. Hansen later became one of the first prisoners at the newly opened Spring Creek Correctional Center, where he had remained until this year. The security guard had came up I dont know if I was in the back laying down when he [the security guard] did. When his truck became stuck in the mud, the woman tried to run. ROBERT HANSEN (RH): Uh, you want me, Sir, to start when I first met this CINDY PAULSON the first time or, RH: or what? A turning point came in 1983, when a teenage prostitute named Cindy Paulson ran into a Fifth Avenue motel in handcuffs, saying that Hansen had imprisoned her at his home, raped her and put her on his plane for a one-way ride. The Special Agent had known that this killer would be into collecting trophies from his victims, that he would have very little self worth, and that hed have a burning hatred for women you know, the usual type thing, but to pinpoint this killers stutter is truly astonishing! As soon as he was of age Robert joined the Army reserves and moved to another town where he found himself a wife, but he was still treated badly. He was 75 years old. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Copyright 2023 Butcher Baker Primer WordPress theme by. 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