4 5/8 inch barrelpretty comfortable to carry . If used in a custom 5 shot 45 colt with bullets and a cyl. Fortunately, I had a spare cap in my pocket. I agree, a 9mm is not something I would trust. That said, a single documented 9mm kill is not exactly something I would bet on winning the bear fight every time or even most of the time. However, if you're going to deploy bear spray against a mountain lion, then you need to make sure of a few things. No mention here of my favorite back woods carry gun, a 50 cal Desert Eagle. A handgun was what you might carry out to take a dump at night to make you feel better. The species are abundant in the state, numbering around 4,000 to 6,000 estimated creatures. Remember you can be turned into bear shit with in two days if you are wrong! Hornady, Though perhaps semi-obsolete, if not obsolete for law enforcement 9 shot can shred the head of a rattlesnake up close. Speaking of the 10mm, theres no mention. .357, .44 mag, 10mm. Dogs and coyotes have one indent at the bottom of their pads. Derek Wolfe told Tucker Carlson he plans to eat the mountain lion he hunted. No, they dont. Best of luck, fortunately it sounds like you really wont be relying on luck.. When I go into the Cascades, I always take a .357 revolver. Ultimately, some gun is better than no gun, and too much gun that youre unable to get proficient with is a problem. Im still skeered o rabbies. I used them for too many years to be so. If I had not shot the hog with a .44 Magnum I think it would have ended very badly. Buy .357 magnum at the minimum. Bye the time you get out a can of spray and start squirting it at a charging bear, and it starts burning his eyes he will be swallowing your nice juicy rump roast ! I purchased the gun from the nephew of an Alaskan Guide who had to kill several large browns with this same revolver. I was carrying my S&W M-57 4 inch gun. Hollow points are better for stopping large game if you are pushing a fairly large bullet, 250 grain and larger, at fairly high velocity 1400 fps +the larger bullet with the higher velocity will give you enough penetration for the hollow point to do its job. Owing to circumstances at their place, I wasnt able to go. A farmer living in Lower Lake, in Lake County, noticed the dead lambs last week and notified the California Department of Fish and Wildlife. A mountain lion would win a fight against a wolf. It is all filled with a bias against firearms.. Bears have a way of sneaking up on you. A rabid animal is something you do not even want to touch. . Mountain lion facts. LOL. Just as with dangerous game rifles, using a cartridge that is too big to allow for proper shot placement isnt a wise idea; shot placement is everything. As a retired, longtime USMC colonel buddy of mine reminded me a few weeks ago, you should be carrying, always.. I probably keep the fine folks at Magpul in business with my 50, 40 and 30 mag purchases. Penetration is what is needed, no hollow points. This attack from 2008 shows the utility of a handgun for defense against predators in the wild. It seems to be a matter of carrying largest caliber you can for the situation, with the proviso that you be able to deliver sufficient rounds on target. Mountain Lion Attack Stopped by Man with Handgun in 2010, Teenager Sexually Assaults Friends Mom, Gets Rejected at Gunpoint, TTAG Daily Digest: Actually Shooting Someone, Ratings Kryptonite and the NRA in the Time of Trump. think of anything better to own, carry, keep, and have instantly accessible than a good You have been reading to many comic books. can a 38 special kill a mountain lionohio state income tax. I was able to aim and take the shot; it tore me up having to kill that nuisance bear that should have been relocated. Of the pistols that you listed carry the one you shoot best. Nobody sane confronts a bear with a pistol, the 480 is not perfect for the job. If not, always nice to have to many guns.. After wearing out a few S&W frames in 44mag, I switched to the short barreled Ruger Alaskan in 44mag. The big cats are thin skinned and not that hard to kill. Mountain lions are a protected species in California. Of course, I dont live in Alaska, nor have I ever killed a bear. While mountain lion attacks are rare, it is because mountain lions are not common, and interactions between mountain lions and humans are uncommon. Stupidity has no limits ! I agree the 329 PD is ideal with Lower Recoil .44 Magnum Ammo 255 gr. All shots were heart lung ,,,edit,, All shots were attempted heart lung. She ran out of there at Mach 3, with her blue hair on fire. where do you come up with this bullshit. This is largely down to a lack of resources in their own habitats. False economy at that point. Last time I was buying bulk ammo in 5.56 mm NATO, 9 mm, .40 Smith, .44 Mag and That being said i would still rather has a single action 44 mag or 45 colt than a 9mm for bear defenseanyday! I mixed opinions about this article. I know Phil has seen more bears killed than I ever will, but he got lucky. Theyll put down vermin, but small may not put down dangerous game. For small game, a 38 Spcl. My handloads push a 200gr hardcast bullet to just under 1300fps. Just stay away from me because you are just asking for trouble. I have a hard time believing when pressed in close quarters, that they would do well with a .410 load in the face. But please.no one has mentioned marine flares..is the problem that they do not work or that they are too slow to activate. C. After a Loss Depredation Permit Process. Good luck It is not as if that information is widely out there ..This is part of a Strategy. Practice with light loads and carry it with one of Pearces 22k psi heavy loads. The .45 Colt has long been my favorite cartridge in the Blackhawk. The animal became a little wobbly and went to a tree then moved toward Paul again and it was shot a second time. Honestly for a Mountain Lion a human does not have a good chance when it comes down to human w/ knife vs mountain lion, but I do recommend he has a knife in case he would be knocked to the ground or a last resort. Certain poisons meant to kill rodents, called anti-coagulant rodenticides, end up in the tissues of mountain lions. When a bear is facing you even if you penetrate the meat and skull, the skull is angled flat so the bullet would probably ricochet rather than penetrate. . Great Man, and he never told a fib while I grew up At 75 I will never know. .38 special have been a huge disappointment for me. Yes I admit, Im a revolver person. Laboratory work several days after the attack would have indicated rabies. More is always better and the bullet is the key. So, no .38s but the only options arent .44s, 454s, 460s 475 linebaugh or 500s. A large caliber handgun is a must. Its a free country Plinker you are free to engage in Prayer, Ritual and Incantations by the light of the moon. I use the buffalo bore +P 340 for bear loads. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. I had a face off not far from lake Iliamna with that combo and would not have traded it for the world. It provides some seemingly good info, but some is just confusing and troublesome. I shoot a 44 mag Ruger Redhawk 4 in ss I love it. and the 45 colts are equal if used in modern stout pistols. An attack by a pack of feral dogs is not anything like an encounter with a single individual or a shooting competition. The lion did not attack further and the boys uncle shot at the cat. If you choose bear spray as your only alternative more power to you. Fortunately, another adult P.J.s uncle in the party had brought a handgun along and had left it in a vehicle that was parked nearby. In a close encounter this bear would have had enough time to kill me with no problem. ; Dog breeds that are large, powerful, and possess protective instincts, like the German Shepard, are excellent dogs to have . A 10-year-old boy was killed by a mountain lion while hiking near Grand Lake in 1997, and an adult runner was killed in Idaho Springs in 1991. You can keep your semi-autos and single action revolvers. Although lighter than what one would think of as bear protection, the authors .38 Special is extremely compact, lightweight and portable. Unless you are an expert hand-gunner with tons of real world experience.. carry a rifle and have the pistol as backup. Nine for the bear and the 10th for me if the nine didnt work. load of No. Any bear is a big, tough critter and to stop them you will need to penetrate and break stuff like big bones or skulls. A Sacramento Bee investigation revealed in 2017 that thanks to that language, Californians have killed far more mountain lions since Proposition 117 passed then they did before.. Also, for killing venomous snakes. I have a buddy who guided a hunter with a .50 AE to a brown in the late eighties when it came out and it was a disaster. My two cents. Is it a powerhouse, as a bear cartridge? into the Grizzly point blank range killing it. He said he was not scared of all the trips he made. The FORGOTTEN GUN (but one of the best Alaska Bear Guns) is the Ruger .480 7.5 OR 10. Or even for butchering livestock. A single bite around the throat from a mountain lion can be fatal to prey . What I really love I the light weight of the Blackhawk, its great in a shoulder rig. My thought And if he could run too fast, any caliber will work for knee caps!!!! People living in neighborhoods around Nederland wonder why Colorado Parks and Wildlife can't do more to stop attacks on their pets. My advice would be take the largest caliber you can comfortably handle. Ruger alaskan, or Taurus Raging Bull in 5 or 6.5 ported, .480 ruger with 400g hardcast pushing 1100fps or more. Bear is a bear, you underestimate them at your own peril. In Alaska, meat is often removed from a kill site via a frame pack and two strong legs, and all that blood creates a scent trail like a flashing All-you-can-eat buffet advertisement. When I asked him for his thoughts on carry guns for bear country, Phil related the following: Phil, I have always said that carrying any handgun for bear protection is similar to wearing a life jacket in a boat, or parachute in a plane. I was charged and shot the first round at about 15 ft. 2nd followed immediately. Full power 10mm anyone? Packing out is much less distance here in Wyoming where we huntbut the bears here seem to have much less fear of humans than they did in Alaska. the vast majority of industry gun writers are basically shilling new gear and tend to exist in a repetitive echo chamber with little or no practical experience. An old farm fence stopped the bear at 11 yards and gave me the chance to get that cap on. Its very light and handy to carry. Roughly the same size as my 8 S & W 44 mag, but a lot more fire power. black bears Lighter, cheaper, and much better statistics than any conceivable 38spl load. I saw one 200 yards from my home while deer hunting several years ago. I often have to carry elk quarters out in the Bitteroot mountans, which is heavy populated with wolves, grizzly, black bear, and moose, all of which I have had numerous too close for comfort encounters where Ive had to draw down. However, please dont cast aspersions toward those who have done their own homework and made their own best choices. Newsweek has contacted the California Department of Fish and Wildlife for comment. The only explanation that I can think of is that it was pumped full of adrenaline. All silliness aside, this illustrates a challenge for a woods gun. I also have a Ruger Redhawk in 45 Colt and I carry my hand loaded 300 gr hard cast bullets. you rig will protect you. If we didnt carry our primary hunting rifle, we carried a shotgun. I still carry that early 41 mag in bear country but just recently bought an early M-58 and am going to carry it as it is easier to draw with no adj sights. Humans travel about 21MPH tops.. Bears.. 35mph.. There are many reviews of this caliber online. 9mm is acceptable against two legged foes, but with an angry mountain lion you want something with some real punch to it. I have seen that cartridge fail horribly on black bears and hogs. I found it on the Internet in a read only document. And no, I do not bother with bear spray. My gun likes the Hornady XTPs best, and I feel confident making vital hits out to 40 yards or so with this combination. These were not accidental sow with cubs, surprised a bear in a dumpster, etc. My hunting partner puts his faith in the Colt .45, and it will get the job done. For College Campuses! In this case, fortunately, the uncle had time to retrieve the handgun from a vehicle. Just food for thought Stay safe Brian. Mountain lion study highlights. He normally carries a .44 Magnum but opted for the 9mm that day. That was my initial question as well. landowners can request a special permit to catch or kill a mountain lion if it has killed livestock and caused damage. If you carry an effective caliber/bullet combination for 400+ pound bears, wild boars, and feral hogs, you are carrying way too much gun for coyotes and small mountain lions. Exactly. Dating back to 1873, the .45 Colt will provide very impressive terminal ballistics when loaded in a strong, modern handgun. I read an article recently that said you are statistically more likely to survive a bear attack using mace rather than a sidearm. # 3. They truly are amazing creatures: When you're out strolling in the woods, there's no way for you to defend yourself from a mountain lion using an air rifle. My resulting theory is that if you see the bear/cougar, draw your gun and do your best to avoid the encounter. Though it is illegal under state law to kill a mountain lion to protect a pet, CPW has decided not to press charges. Plenty of good options in DA revolvers tried and true .44 mag, .454 casull, .460 S&W, etc. I find it odd that people who trust autoloading pistols for protection against instantaneous violent attack by humans do not trust them for bears? You go first, Ill watch. Keith and 300 gr. Definitely not in the same category as a Mounain lion. 38 special will kill you just as dead as a . Im glad she now carries the Liberty ammo. They have great hunting senses that help them spot prey along with sharp claws and powerful bites. A good .357 Magnum and I really like the Kimber K6s will definitely come in handy. The S&W Govnor and the Taurus Judge are not what you would want in bear country. Natural enemies include other large predators such as bears, lions, and wolves. God Bless old Friend. National Park Service, via AP, FILE. What would be the minimum barrel length for any bear spanker? Their large hind legs also make them excellent at sprinting for short distances. Mountain lions, also known as pumas or cougars, interact with hundreds of species and play a direct role in balancing various habitats across the state and other parts of the U.S. Its jackass. The most restrictive, California State Proposition 117, passed in 1990, prohibits the killing of any mountain lion except in the case of an animal that poses a direct threat to people, pets, or . A 38 special? I havent seen any of his Buddys to verify his story, But they like Jack, they have all passed away. In Alaska, we not only have to deal with the common two-legged variety of vermin found in every place in the world, but also the large, four-legged beasts that can either kill and trample you with their hooves, or rip you apart with their claws and teeth; its the latter which draw hunters to the Last Frontier with high-power, large caliber rifles. Well there is some in one instance provided no less by the original fellow who created sells Bear Spray Now you find a lot of mumbo jumbo to suggest bear spray is no less effective that a firearms.. then the predictable firearms in parks concerns.. Firearms safety To sum up when you do read the common information .. Even had to qualify with it if you carried it as part of your job duties. Its been years since Ive regularly shot revolvers. I just want to compliment you for making an extremely intelligent decision. I want POWER ! be utilized for small game hunting: rabbit, squirrel, and grouse. They called me to come over and look at the tracks. I prefer to carry a .460 Roland built on .45 Colt ACP 1911 chassis. 10 mm. not litter the landscape. Then it rolled over and started walking. Im somewhat challenged with smartphone technology. Not only is a 45 Colt that is hand loaded right there with the 44 magnum, or even out performing the 44 magnum. And this is why Glock 29s and Smith & Wesson 329s exist. He very clearly laid out the steps required and when someone should shoot a bear in self defense.. His commentary may still be out there on the web but a quick search did not turn it up.. Of course because political activists have infiltrated Rangers and such.. Anyhow, nice article and just consider the glock 10 mm if you are comfortable with a semi-auto tyoe pistol. A powerful handgun with a tough, deep penetrating bullet is the key. Not like that should be a problem anyways. Our neighbor asked if I would come over and put it down. I would wantShortFast out of the holster.and powerful. I bought Bear Loads in .45 LC and .357 MAG, but they were both hollow points (300 & 180 grains, respectively). The way I see it there exists no substitute for accuracy, proper shot placement, and Crossdraw holster. As an outdoorsman, I enjoy being afield in all sorts of capacities. However, two of those incidents resulted in fatalities. Handloaded in a Blackhawk as described in my earlier post, the .45 outdoes the .44 mag. I stopped the pickup and as it went down the incline one shot hit the abdominal cavity and another between the shoulder blades, it crawled about two feet and died. With the right bullet most large caliber handguns will end the confrontation in your favor if done this way. Fly fishing in AK, and knocking around the woods I often carry a stainless charter target bulldog in 44 special. Although the species is protected, landowners can request a special permit to catch or kill a mountain lion if it has killed livestock and caused damage. Gonna do that with a 45LC or .44 mag? HP ammo may be great for two legged predators, not so much for those with fourand large teeth! Thanx! trunnis goggins wife; can a 38 special kill a mountain lion. The Southern California man charged with shooting and killing a protected mountain lion this summer has been sentenced to 30 days in jail and was ordered to serve 240 hours of community service in . Seeing the bull moose charging froze me. My handloads push a 300-grain hard-cast bullet to 1,614 fps. An exceedingly interesting question. Lmaoand excellent thought below about the 454 brass trimmed down. 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