I watched and worried through her escapeto find her childrens real attackerthat bushy haired stranger . Tina, if you look at family pictures of the Downs, Christie is the eldest and this is her picture. And she laughed at it by saying it was healthy to want to join the free world, especially if you proclaim your innocence. This case certainly had its share of circumstantial evidence. This whole tale is just unbelievable. Dianes story does not contradict that. If you shoot at least 6 inches from a victim, you see what is around you in the car. I do not know what happened on Old Mohawk Road on that dark evening, but I know that they did not have enough evidence totry andconvict Diane Downs. In the 1996 Federal Petition, you can find the Anatomy of Brainwashing that can answer any question on this subject. Sometimes it takes until late in life for connections to be made again. While these are all good questions, (and were maybe all asked in the jury room during deliberations) I doubt the answers even matter anymore. None of this is EVIDENCE of anything in regard to the murder trial, and not once did I read that it was. Thats why Diane wouldnt agree to marry unless Knick first signed a premarital agreement that when they divorced, Knick would take nothing from their marriage. But I am so tired of the enough time has been served and other criminals have been paroled. A very reasonable request that was rejected. As far as Hugi is concerned, it was a total conflict of interest. Instead of talking about her being locked up for so long, answer some very legitimate questions regarding this case. The powers that be knew they had nothing on Diane so Christie became their sacrificial lamb. Lise lasalle you mention THIS When she (Diane) resisted, he shot her kids and struggled with her. The detectives took Diane to the crime scene and were able to retrieve shell cases on the ground where the incident happened. Her family supported her. As a suggestion, I would love to see a like or dislike button for each comment. You cannot skip due process because of mob mentality. The fact that she drove there and it saved the life of two of her children should give anyone pause. Diane was right-handed. Have you actually read the transcript of the trial?? Christie was it though. That hurt our family deeply. They should have taken the time necessary to find enough evidence. Someone can have an evil vibe and not be guilty of a crime. So appropriate! They were tons of witnesses that saw him at work. The judge instructed them to continue on to force a verdict. He strung her along, played with both womens emotions, and after saying he would join her in Oregon, reneged and stayed with his wife. Why did they let her daughter testify when she could not know who shot her and said so incessantly until they made her say what they wanted? The next morning Diane appeared in the courtroom with a police report written by Detective Pond a year earlier, in which Ms. Patterson was sure Diane had gone nowhere near the bathroom the night of the shooting (Appendix 62). It will not make me popular, but I dont mind. ?.the fact you are ignoring something SO OBVIOUS is a red flag. She was no mother of the year and in the car when the kids got shot. That they did not test the outside of the car? Where to begin? Page 35 of Case History. I then question how she would not have blood splatter if she shot them inside the car at close range. Instead of shooting the little kids, why didnt the carjacker/killer (CK) simply shoot DD dead and take her car? That disinformation was alleged by Mr. Hugi the third day into Jim Jaggers defense and it was never objected to by Mr. Jagger . Christie NEVER said she didnt know who did it she was just unwilling or afraid to tell on her mother. She was harshly judged because of her demeanor. She knew that Knickerbocker hated trouble of any kind, and thathe would have never come back to her after an ugly shooting where she had been wounded and her kids damaged. They never found the gun and she showed no signs of having fired one. Everything I outlined should be public knowledge. Hey Jace, I was not going to post your insulting comments but I decided to let the last sentence fly so that I could answer it. She would have been released under strict conditions with the support of her family and under the care of a mental health specialist. No, Im not that gullible, Okay, I just read that she faked throwing her keys. Rule sued the Seattle Weekly after they published the article titled Ann Rules Sloppy Storytelling, but she lost and had to make restitution. There is her story, the prosecution case and the defense arguments. When a unicorn and hungry like the wolf make their way into a court room during a high profile trial, its a red flag. It wasnt until Prosecutor Hugi said Dr. Jamison had labeled Diane a deviant sociopath that Mr. It did not matter that they had no evidence; they did not like her attitude and she was going to pay for it. A. We dont know what the Hugi family was doing during this time, probably seeing the kids regularly and getting licensed and approved to take the kids home with them. And these men in black perceived this as an act of war, and proceeded to go after them with every legal or illegal means at their disposal. Dianes dad died a year or two ago. This was very stressful. It sounds like Diane was trying to tell her to stay away from bad influences. What mother takes her kids out at night and then stops for a stranger with her kids in the car? Dianes automobile was secured and examined and no gun was found. All the reports and even the warden thought she was not a threat anymore. This case had many similarities to the Alice Crimminsstory. And she should be allowed parole! I would also like to express my disbelief that the same judge presided over both the child welfare case and the criminal one. She even became a surrogate mother to make money and provide two parents the opportunity to have a child. This coercion came to Dianes attention in January 1989 (Appendix 39). Page 41 of case history. Someone said to me that any of us, if scrutinized under a microscope, would come out looking pretty bad. I changed the sites email recently to thetroublewithjustice@hotmail.com The prescribed normal dosage for a full grown man is 30 milligrams per day. This was all logged in Christies hospital reports and is found in the Appendix of the petition filed in Federal Court in 1996 in the section Hospital Reports.. The very suspicious aspect of this ballistic saga is that Hugi said they had the bill of sale and serial number for the first Ruger and it was definitely the murder weapon. And to try not to bash Dianes Downs character and stick to evidence instead. She had been isolated from her whole family and being unethically interrogated. Foote then handled the juvenile docket and first encountered Downs when he ordered her two surviving children into state protective custody. I am not her advocate, but I think she did not get due process. a clinical lab to Dianes not being herself the day the Detectives pressured Diane to accompany them, the fact is Diane was clearly suffering the residual effects of that chemical poison in her system. She was the first to admit that at times, she was somewhat neglectful, impatient, yelled too much, and could have been a better mother, but she seemed to have turned the corner and was doing her best with the means at her disposal. Diane was known for her love of all animals whichshe treated with great care, and for her independent and wild streak. Diane found with him,the kind of relationship she had never known before: there was actually care and intimacy involved. more on crime HEARTBREAKING FIND The Office star's sister-in-law found dead 11 days after going missing 'DISGUSTING' So how she behaved at the time, should not have been a factor influencing the authorities. So it would be logical to conclude that it would have left residues if anyone had shot at least 6 times. (This is why Foote was assigned the case. In high school, she met handsome Steven Downs who saw her for the great beauty she had become. Interesting that the article has one of the same elements that Diane perpetrated when she drove to the hospital the night of the murders she made more of a fuss about her arm injury than she did about one of her kids dying and two of them being gravely and permanently wounded. These are no facts its partial truths and conjecture. He had an attorney, Fred G. Campbell Jr., send us a letter denying our request and telling us: You are legally, as well as factually, a stranger to them. Who does he think he is? I did not shoot my children.. Not giving you free reign here. Hugi did not want that. Instead, there is blood splatter on the ceiling of the car. It is because she is a high profile person. I watched the highlights of her hearing. Thank you Lise. Right?? He could then have initiated the licensing process to foster and then adopt the children. All the years in prison probably made her way more disturbed than she ever was. One should also wonder why their biological father who was so eager to bash his ex on the stand was not given custody, and did not stay in contact with his two remaining children: relevance? Tis why at 10 years old I was hearing about this case in Ohio, and family members talked about it around me.it hit with great force that way. Brewer freely declared that Diane Downs would never have been convicted except that he believed the lie Jim Jagger permitted Fred Hugi to enter into the record. Within three weeks, Diane had lost custody of her remaining wounded children and had become the number one suspect in the eyes of the police department and District Attorneys office. Too bad she did not interview Diane or her family. Libby, I quoted what Diane said. Something that would never stand in court now. In case you did not read the blog: During Dianes examination at trial, Fred Hugi said in front of the jury, in the form of a question, that she had been diagnosed as a deviant sociopath. Feb. 4, 2022 -- An analysis from a trio of economists says pandemic lockdowns during the first wave of the COVID-19 pandemic did little to reduce the number of COVID-related deaths. I appreciate the way you dont try to determine guilt or innocence in your blogs but instead focus on due process and the right of all to a fair trial. The question is of course, how can we determine guilt or innocence without a fair trial? Go to the hate groups for that. Diane was cooked the minute she walked in that courtroom. CMOH said 2 doses = minimal protection against infection . I remember when Diane shot her kids and there are some facts Id like to correct from your blog. There is so much to say about this blog I wouldnt know where to start. In my blog, I was referring to the case of Liysa Northon whose suit was dismissed, but when Ann Rule tried to sue the Seattle Magazine, its editor and Northons husband for their article on her shoddy work, she lost and had to pay restitution. But if you compare the time she was seen by the witness to the timing of her arrival at the hospital, it seems to indicate she went pretty fast, butnone of it was explained ordemonstrated properly. They dont need to be adopted and have their entire identity changed. If the adult can show capacity and willingness to provide care, love and nurturing to the children, then there is no legal reason to prevent them from becoming Foster Carers. People can have a certain vibe and act out of the norms, but it does not make them necessarily guilty. http://www.manipulatedtrial.de/oregon_s_small_sacrifices_1603.pdf. but later you claim Diane was inside the car and shot the kids in the car and that that BECAUSE she was inside the car she should have had blood splatter on herso WHICH IS IT, I dont know which it is Libby. They seem to say she was like that from the very beginning so in my opinion, it should represent a mitigating circumstance instead of a longer sentence. It became judicial kidnapping to obtain a coerced confession. This blogger believes in the presumption of innocence and in the possibility of redemption. Of course. Thanks again. At first I thought she did it, now I made further research and I dont know what to think. One should also wonder why their biological father who was so eager to bash his ex on the stand was not given custody, and did not stay in contact with his two remaining children. Of course, her mental health has deteriorated. So should I put an addendum saying that Diane contradicted herself or was not satisfied with the sketch? Mr. If Oregonians were not all convinced at first, the media and the crown made sure they would be. If Diane was bipolar, the non-stop chatter would have been inherent to the situation. I never read the Ann Rule book, but saw Small Sacrifices as a kid and have had an interest in this case ever since. Dianes family could give you countless examples of the inaccuracies they found in her book. I lived through the media coverage. This was all logged in Christies hospital reports and is found in the Appendix of the petition filed in Federal Court in 1996 in the section Hospital Reports. The tape of Christie and her adoption by the prosecutor are facts. The blogger continues, I am not one sided. Im all for justice, reviewing facts and overturning corrupt decisions. Diane wanted to wait for her daughter to feel better, be accompanied by an expert and have the meetings taped? I am a Mortuary science student, true crime fanatic, and have been following the Downs case since it happened. Diane Frederickson was born August 7, 1955 in Phoenix, Arizona. That conflict of interest alone would incline Christie to testify against her mother. ), Interesting suggestion. If the answer is, to keep the public safe, then I call BS. The notes taken daily by the nurses became a point of contention at trial. In her book Heart Full of Lies, Rule took so many liberties with the facts that Liysa Northon sued her. Otherwise you just want people to fill your echo chamber that agree with you, tell anyone else you obviously dont want to debate me.., then ban, then hope for people to agree. Why does the blogger not clarify this? Diane had met all the requirements to be paroled. Not optional, kids should not be in limbo that long, but it happens all the time. She could not have been shot twice in the back while sitting up and have the bullet pierce her body to end up under the floorboard of the passenger side. That doesnt make it true. Wednesday, March 1, 2023: Today on General Hospital, Obrecht is furious with both Liz and Scott, Finn offers to stand by Liz, and Sonny and Dex bond over a meal. I think it posible she brought the kids there to be shot by someone else. I wanted to ask you something on this case. DA Pat Horton declared early in the game to the local paper that the search for the bearded stranger was not very high on their priority list.. She had a bullet wound in the arm, and the three kids in the back of the blood-soaked car had all been shot at close range. At the point Diane jumped into the car, her broken arm (resting in a sling in front of her) slammed into the steering wheel. A. I told Diane before, but I certainly didnt tell her to I couldnt get my hands on the book nor find anything in librariesso basically it was many years later I dove into knowing more about this case, that kinda haunted me. It did not matter that they had no evidence; they did not like her attitude and she was going to pay for it: opinion, not fact There are many cases where investigators jump to conclusions either because in their gut they think they know or pressure to make an arrestand i guess with all the attention this case got they gave their gut and the public what they wanted. After giving birth to . That testimony was left unchallenged by Mr. Jagger. Would you seriously be confident enough to present your findings you mention in your article to Diane Downs children? A. Diane had a few lovers, which Knick refused to acknowledge (Appendix 81, pages 1508, 1520). I do not care if the bushy haired stranger made no sense or if they could not explain the why of the tragedy, I do not care if she was madly in love with a guy because all that counts is proof and evidence in a court of law, and there was definitely a reasonable doubt. It should have raised a red flag concerning her mental stability or the possibility that more people were involved. Most were married because Diane had no desire to remarry. But the birth of little Danny did not make this bad boy change his stripes; he remained a cad and a destabilizing force in their lives. Guilty or not, we should know better than to use the justice system as a psychic tool when theres not enough evidence. She followed all the correct Parole Boardprocedures for two years with no hearing. Her lover and former husband testified against her but it did not represent evidence but character assassination. She has an excellent conduct report and never reacted violently to any of the harassment from other inmates. Apparently drug mafia wanted to punish her for messing her nose in forbidden places, not because she was getting any real business in that but simply because she had one of the poorest judgements a person can have. So move on. Anyway, it takes a good scrubbing with soap and water to get rid of gun powder residues and doing so with only one arm would be quite difficult. You simply are a rude individual looking for a reaction. If Diane was bipolar, the non-stop chatter would have been inherent to the situation: bipolar wasnt a diagnosable condition at the time of her first trial. She also told media she became pregnant without Steve's "permission." 4 Steve has never spoken publicly about his ex-wife, Diane Credit: AP Most read in News They checked her shoes and they were clean. I would like to believe this is the truth. Most importantly why would anybody shoot 3 children potentially fatally and leave the adult with a wound in her arm. We cant. She is supposed to be locked up for murder, etc. On a side note, what do you think of parole of Leslie Van Houton? (LOL!! Diane described the stranger that shot them on the road and a police artist came up with a sketch. Even Ann Rule in her book, keeps mentioning that they only had a few months to get Christie to talk, otherwise they could not keep her away from her mother any longer. Just similar stuff.and that I guess, makes it easy for me to see how that song could of fueled her up.never underestimate the power if a song..what feels intense and exciting to you, may not to another, but shoot, anytime I hear pink floyd run like hell.takes me right back 1991 in the heat of my chase..for me, I got the answers I wanted from 89 when my friend said that about the Duran song and it involved in that case. The children should have been receiving therapy throughout. 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