1989. Alto Low A $ 5000 Bare Brass (4) Ask the seller privately for the number and do a search for that instrument. These cookies help provide information on metrics the number of visitors, bounce rate, traffic source, etc. Alto $ 2000 Comments, "Transitional" refers to Conn's change from the New Wonder series of horns to the 4/6/10/12/14M Artist ("Naked Lady") series of horns. Granlund Woodwind -- Saxophones for sale -- Clarinets for sale -- Mouthpieces for sale -- Clarinets for rent. The fourth character indicated the instrument: "1" = Cornet, "2" = Trumpet, "3" = Alto Horn, "4" = French Horn, "5" = Mellophone, "6" = Valve Trombone, "7" = Slide Trombone, "8" = Baritone Horn & Euphonium, "9" = Tuba, and "10" = Sousaphone. 6 CONN. WONDER through 150XXX Up until 75XXX, no rolled tone holes. keywork before their alto and tenor siblings, which is a rather Better feel and intonation than the Balanced.. This cookie, set by YouTube, registers a unique ID to store data on what videos from YouTube the user has seen. A serial number can of course be used to identify a stolen instrument. Conn transitionals are some of my favorite horns of all time. me! Records the default button state of the corresponding category & the status of CCPA. example). Thanks to the person that assembled this! The fourth character indicated the instrument: The remaining numbers indicated the production number within the month. anyway if that is right does it affect the value of the vintage horns? They have an A after the serial number. or Best Offer. vintage alto saxophone top tenons for alto saxophone. were fewer plating choices: 4 The horns from 1933 (Handcraft Committee) through the early 60s (the Magna) can hold their own with anything ever made. Other features that changed (incomplete list): new double socket neck design From 1987 on, the two-digit prefix number plus 50 will give you the year of manufacture. I think 6m's have an E and the 6m stamp. 1991. XI No. Frequently Asked Questions Serial Numbers Warranty Information. redesigned low Eb/C touchpieces "Chrome" I have only addressed instruments for which there is a regular and established market, so not every model is included. The beautiful It seems to have been serial number range that are 100% New Wonder models and were Finally, This cookie is set by GDPR Cookie Consent plugin. 11M tenor -- But here goes: Some altos made as early as 1932 have stampings on the necks in front of the microtuner sleeve eitherSTDD MorSTDD N. Thenin the #276k-277k range only(1936-37), altos appear that are stampedMETROorNATLunder the thumbhook, after the model number. ARISTOCRAT 270XXX 290XXX or for information regarding use/reproduction As far as I know,noVIII METROhorns have been found! with a gold body and silver keywork (finish 1), but I have Most, but not all, of these features This particular sax is silver plated and is a great horn in terms of sound, building quality and technical finishing. More than with any other model, condition is everything. Although the word transitional is a word that has been applied after the fact by saxophone enthusiasts, it may be more appropriate to refer to these saxophones as the New Model, because, The Very First Transitionals- The New Model. It is rumoured that there is a scam, by which somebody who acquires your serial number can then claim the instrument is theirs. a list of model numbers for Conn saxophones from the 20th century. LADY FACE/Naked Lady pentagram engraved on the bell. Usually seen in silver, deduct 20% for lacquer, add 20% for gold non-artist examples. And of course, if you know something I dont, share it! Alto 28M $ 4000 plastic keyguard must be intact to the 4/6/10/12/14M Artist ("Naked Lady") series This cookie is set by GDPR Cookie Consent plugin. keys. I have a 262850 transitional. Conn produced their first horns with a lacquer body and nickel I believe Finish 3 refers to a silver-plated horn without The main thing you learn from serial numbers is the age of the instrument of course. 4000000. Eb Alto Naked Lady with MODELE 26 4451 11950 > These cookies track visitors across websites and collect information to provide customized ads. burnished. The sp_t cookie is set by Spotify to implement audio content from Spotify on the website and also registers information on user interaction related to the audio content. The name alone inspires reverence. Tenor $ 3200 fork Eb trill disappears After that, altos were simply marked 6M, probably without design changes. Some examples have screw in resonators. 10M Bb Tenor C soprano $1000 MUST have original mouthpiece Baritone $ 3000 Ideally you should have a record of the serial number with your sales receipt and won your insurance details. View similar gear from other sellers on Reverb. SUPERBA I though: I think that there are some horns produced in this Resources. These were followed immediately in 1937 (#278xxx) by the model 6M VIII, marked as such. There are a few silver (add 20%) plated ones, and a very few (add 30%) gold ones. These later examples play very well, but you should deduct 50%.. All of this series is mostly found in lacquer, so add 25% for silver, and 35% for the very rare gold examples. thumbrest on some models. This horn is set up for a . The bell keys switch from a split bell key design to left-hand design at about 245,xxx. 262xxx is a transitional, that plays like a 6M . Deduct for needed repairs and/or restoration to original condition. it is almost universally thought that lacquer was not cost of these models is not significantly different than the More info: Some of these are beautifully engraved (add 10%). model, but with New Wonder or plain engraving. It is sometimes (possible erroneously) supposed that five digit MKVIs are the best. Bass $ 7000. Some information may repeat between what I wrote and what he wrote, but trust me there is a ton of information here and the read is worth it if you are interested in Conn transitional altos! hand burnished. Bare Brass (4) This is a beautiful original lacquer Conn 10M Tenor from the earliest period of the 10M (10M starts at 263k or so). *1980 - 1986 serial numbers are for student trumpet and cornets only. This series is characterized by: 1. In other words, art deco "Transitional" engraving or "Naked Tenor $1200 The Mark VI was an impossible act to follow. 20 July 2012 Cornet section: Replaced picture on 20A Flugelhorn (1926). Yep. It has two patent dates, "2-8-76" and "10-21-84", stamped with the word "STANLEY." It has the same trademark stamped into the iron, except that "STANLEY" is in a straight line, in large letters. This cookie is installed by Google Analytics. 22M F Mezzo Soprano So, in keywork design. Around number 272XXX, the Super 20 was introduced. Track 1: Mouthpiece Comparison (x5) on a Conn Transitional 12M #245k: MC Gregory GALE 4M, Selmer S80D, Otto Link 6*, Meyer 6M, Steve Broadus Perfected Model Conn Saxophone model numbers Italics indicates "educated guess". To some, the true transitionals are only the saxophones with left-hand bell keys. ibid., 1927 catalog. Baritone $ 2500 keys, posts and ferrules hand burnished. Up until 75XXX, no rolled tone holes. Interestingly, the alto I have seen (206,xxxAX serial number, pictured below) has almost every feature to be found on the eventual 6M. bell, engraving background, keys, posts and ferrules hand This list is not correct for Conn saxophones (see Conn Woodwind Serial Numbers) or Conn bugles (see Pan American Brass Serial Numbers). Alto $ 2300 See our cookie policy here. C soprano $1000 14M Bb Bass The cookies is used to store the user consent for the cookies in the category "Necessary". There is no past damage, and there are no past repairs of any kind. and pearl rollers. bored :). Baritone $2500. ( deduct 20%) ; the alto lost its microtuner in the 50s; the tenor got an underslung octave mechanism in the 50s; and they all gained nickel keywork. But what does the A suffixmean? We use cookies on our website to give you the most relevant experience by remembering your preferences and repeat visits. There Other uncategorized cookies are those that are being analyzed and have not been classified into a category as yet. of this website's content, please e-mail saxpics@gmail.com Silver plated ones bring 20% more, Ive never seen a gold plated one. Take a look at THIS These horns have a real cult following. -the nickname New York Neck, of unknown origin, usually used for the non-tuner overslung, but sometimes confused with theMETROneck Pictures/sounds/etc. > Burnished Gold Plate (00), 4M Functional cookies help to perform certain functionalities like sharing the content of the website on social media platforms, collect feedbacks, and other third-party features. I found this list while shopping for information and thought it nice to have on hand. > Satin Gold Plate (0) > Silver & Gold (1) underslung octave key and redesigned octave mechanism Alto Zephyr Spcl. > Silver & Gold (1) Connstellation Model (28M) Years: 1950 - 1952 Serials: 328000 - 351000 (2 specimens) C.G. Model: Start # End # Worcester: 1 (1888) 3,200 (1898) Wonder Improved: unknown (1895) 41,000 (1917) New Invention: 16,000 (1910) 23,000 (1912) . B: the inside diameter of the inner sleeve of the tunable neck (you will need to complete unscrew the tuner barrel to get to it) 1932 CONN TRANSITIONAL TENOR Serial#253,xxxSOLD,SOLD,SOLD Photo $ 3000 1941 CONN 10M TENOR Serial . If you note any discrepancies, or have additional information concerning this company, please contact us here at Horn-u-copia. page. Support TTS - buy some of our exciting products: Why do people sometimes mask the last three digits of a serial number? Usually seen in silver. These horns can be a real bargain when you find a good one! > Nickel Plate (6) Baritone 12M $ 3600. 1, 1881 C.G. Theres nothing on this Earth quite like one of these at full song! 269169, and this is 269167. -around 270k, the engraving gets larger. Alto Magna $ 2300 C Melody Tenor If the horns were indeed floor models, why have I never seen others outside of that serial range, and why were they ALSO mis-stamped? I've not seen Finish 5 on any "Transitional" the only horn that had any DESIGN CHANGES was the Eb alto. Curved soprano $ 2200 deduct 20% if keyed to Eb only > Silver a common practice to get old bare-brass horns lacquered . Conn-O-Sax; Transitional; M Series Naked Lady; Connquerer Model (26M & 30M) Connstellation Model (28M) GRAFTON. What's Website copyright 1997-2006 by Pete Hales. 400 SERIES 291XXX 381XXX The last major feature to change over was the pinky table, which is a New Wonder II style (albeit with a smooth rather than crosshatched G#) until about 249,xxx. But thealto model itself the model we today call 6M first appeared in 1931 and continued in production in various forms until Conn dropped its pro line saxes in 1969. rolled-tone-hole (LP), Eb Alto Naked Lady with Tenor $ 2400 Curved soprano $2500 Connection Sessions; Dealer Locator; China. The name comes from the bell engraving. All in all, by the end of the transition it was a completely different saxophone. Note: From 1987 to present, add 50 to the serial number prefix to calculate the year of manufacture. 3900000. There is strong demand for these fine instruments. Your purchases help youth music programs get the gear they need to make music. > Burnished Gold Plate (00), 6M > : Highly polished brass throughout, pearl inlaid finger tips left hand pinky table completely redesigned, low B and Bb both one-piece keys . Lucky you! lengthening of the altissimo keys and the addition of an adjustable When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. I then bought a Yamaha YTS-21 student model that I used for a few months . The Zephyr is a killer! 18M Bb Soprano, Straight If you have one or have pictures of one, please contact The __gads cookie, set by Google, is stored under DoubleClick domain and tracks the number of times users see an advert, measures the success of the campaign and calculates its revenue. Serial numbers can be used to identify supposedly better instruments. price chart, in 1930/31 dollars. My current opinion is that there were either a couple There are quite a few saxophone serial number charts on the internet, these ones have mostly been adapted from existing manufacturers and saxophone enthusiasts charts. Installed by Google Analytics, _gid cookie stores information on how visitors use a website, while also creating an analytics report of the website's performance. WordPress Development by Madhav Saxena (Namas Solutions LLC), Conn Saxophones: A History of Excellence and Innovation, Saxophones & Saxophone Equipment for Sale. the patent number 1119954 should not be confused with a serial number.) This cookie, set by Cloudflare, is used to support Cloudflare Bot Management. The horns made during that time are almost all Transitional 6Ms, identical to later 6Ms except for certain neck details (not all known, as summarized above) and, of course, the swivel thumbhook. To be clear, I will use the term New Wonder II style transitional to denote saxophones that share more in common with the New Wonder II, and 6M transitional to denote saxophones that share more in common with the 6M. In my opinion, the saxophones designed at the Experimental Laboratory represent the first of the truly modern American Saxophones, and particularly on the 6M are home to some of the best stack keywork ever designed. front F redesigned The neck gained a tenon skirt to assist in sealing and aid Antoine Joseph (Adolphe) Sax 10 Rue Neuve-Saint-Georges Paris, Antoine Joseph (Adolphe) Sax 50 Rue Saint-Georges Paris, Antoine Joseph (Adolphe) Sax 26 Rue de Rocroy Paris, Antoine Joseph (Adolphe) Sax 39 Rue de Dunkerque paris, Antoine Joseph (Adolphe) Sax 56 Rue Laffitte Paris, Antoine Joseph (Adolphe) Sax 6 Rue Lallier Paris, Wonder Improved - Elkhart IND & Worcester MASS, Wonder Improved & Wonder Perfected - Elkhart IND, Slant Signature Special - Stainless Steel, 1875 C.G. that had most of the features of a New Wonder model, but with but it's aftermarket. Tenor $ 2800 This can lead to what we call transitional models, which have some new and some old features. At the same time theprefixletter M, used on all saxes since 1924, is dropped. Alto $ 2200 With Conn the situation is potentially much more complicated and involves a much greater production range roughly #250k-278k (1932-37). All Rights Reserved. MODELE 22 750 4450 Serial Number: 271,xxx; For the Gerry Mulligan lovers! There are only alto and tenor horns in this series. These cookies will be stored in your browser only with your consent. Vintage Buescher, Conn, Martin, King & Selmer Serial Numbers, Connstellation Rolled tone holes discontinued. Please check the fields highlighted in red. Please Interesting to see, anyways. So, lots of questions and not many answers. Along with the 12M baritone, made from 1929-69, and 10M tenor, made from 1934-69, the 6M enjoyed the longest production run of any saxophone, by any maker. Very Good items may show a few slight marks or scratches but are fully functional and in overall great shape. it seems that when some people brought in their old Conns Its generally agreed that Selmer made some of the very best horns of all time. Relacquers are generally worth 25% less than 100% originals. A famous example would be the early 30s Conn instruments. That includes cornets, trumpets, horns, trombones, euphoniums and basses. The Constellation 28M alto has three octave vents and the best feeling mechanism around, along with a high tech (for the era) plastic key guard. Over the next few years, features would be introduced to Conns saxophone line that resulted by about 1934 in a saxophone that was light years ahead in craftsmanship, mechanical design, and intonation compared to the New Wonder Series II. Loyalist website. tips, pearl rollers. In most cases the reason is for the one stated above, but it is always worth checking when buying an instrument. I used to have a 1932 transitional alto with a New York neck. Baritone $ 4500, SUPER BALANCED ACTION 35801- 53200 If you find an Performance cookies are used to understand and analyze the key performance indexes of the website which helps in delivering a better user experience for the visitors. key was moved to the underside of the neck to protect it from Usually seen in silver. Similar adjustments for finish. Deduct 25% for horns after this number. Were talking about REAL saxophones here! Alto $ 1200 The widely available original Conn brass serial . ARISTOCRAT 290XXX 325XXX BIG B and are not included)(5): The Conn-Selmer resource guide appears to leave out the S prefixes on its serial number list, deduced from an observation made here: . Search. These are optional and you can choose to enable/disable any such cookies in your preferences: All profit to charity Currently: 97500 -, Did you enjoy this article? available with the large variety of New Wonder finishes. Analytical cookies are used to understand how visitors interact with the website. Year Range; Serial Range; Wonder Improved - Elkhart IND & Worcester MASS; 1888 - 1893: 0 - 149: 1893 - 1894: 150 - 199: 1894 - 1895: 200 . The 234,xxx saxophone with the sculpted side E key would have been produced in late 1929, and this first modification to the New Wonder II would have been a direct result of the founding a little over a year earlier of Conns famed Experimental Laboratory led by saxophone design genius Allen Loomis. It needed a full repadding which I got done in Brisbane and I used it for a number of years until I needed to pay for some home renovation,so I sold it off. Date Serial Number 1894 High Pitched Models 2,000 1895 2,000 1896 2,000 1897 2,500 1898 3,000 1899 3,500 1900 3,900 1901 4,400 1902 5,100 1903 6,700 1904 8,500 1905 9,600 1906 10,800 1907 12,000 1908 13,000 1909 index) with a model number that doesn't appear on this list or is produced I have not seen examples of a straight soprano or bass in introduced until the 6M "Naked Lady" models, for refinish work, the repairman would look at the horn and Great Savings & Free Delivery / Collection on many items . Watch this gear and we'll notify you if it becomes available again. (odd numbers would indicate high pitch -- e.g. Made in 1930, with wonderful art-deco engraving. Alto Super 20 $2600 see above commentary for adjustments Theres a real oversupply of alto horns. Thanks to the person that assembled this! > Silver horns (regardless of any additonal art-deco filigree) until YSC cookie is set by Youtube and is used to track the views of embedded videos on Youtube pages. They are undervalued. . necessarily indicative of a "Transitional" horn! 32. C melody $ 800 Most are in silver. I Conn ws a highly organized and mechanized production. To me, I think that since the term transitional is unofficial, it is easier and make more sense to apply it as it is defined- therefore to all saxophones from the end of the New Wonder Series II line that have any of the new features that eventually end up on the 6M. name indicated "Low Pitch" and "High Pitch", respectively. high F (from Steve Saxophones in most moderate to large factories were produced in batches- that is, a few dozen to a couple hundred at a time of a particular type. TRUE TONE 5XXX 254XXX Alto $ 800 Some had sterling silver necks (add 20%), very few were silver plated (add 20%), Ive seen a gold one, although I was not totally convinced it was original. The _ga cookie, installed by Google Analytics, calculates visitor, session and campaign data and also keeps track of site usage for the site's analytics report. The chance this was stolen from the assembly line are near 0, there would be a clear account of how many were produced in a day and who handled them. The Conqueror series (26M and 30M) have very elaborate adjustment mechanisms and solid silver key touches. I find their intonation to be sketchy at best. Starting at #268xxx (1935) was the deluxe 26M Connqueror(additional info here), with the permadjust key foot system, redesigned LH pinkies, and solid silver touches. during this era you could get: - A horn JavaScript is disabled. The Eb/C mechanism is genius; the articulated low C#/Bb mechanism should be on all horns. Tenor $2200 The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. Absolutely worth it! was added and most keys were repositioned to give the most Soprano curved $1800 The Zephyr Special had a solid silver neck and mother of pearl key touches. > Silver yet to see one and it's not in any of the catalogs I've seen redesigned ergonomics on palm keys There are lots of variations on the Martin theme, and below are the ones that I think you should consider. I have found that most of the action in pre-Balanced Action horns is just talk. > Silver & Gold (1) Google Ads Service uses this cookie to collect information about from multiple websites for retargeting ads. Search. The production of old and new models can overlap, or in some cases features of a new model appear on the later batch of the previous model. Additionally, the only Conns with the X stamped after the serial number that I have heard of were within a small serial range- around 200,xxx to 208,xxx- the first year of the ExperimentalLaboratory.

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