Meaning, you won't even see them if they walk around in downtown Manhattan. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. "The rules technically allow all sorts of bad ideas." 1:285 (6mm people size) works great for Battletech, though the Kickstarter appears to be shooting for something slightly bigger now. Smoke Jaguar scientists found that if something wasn't done soon, their Clan worlds would soon be stripped of the ores needed for BattleMech production. Lyran Commonwealth,6th Donegal Guards-Nightstar. Again with a human figure for comparison. BattleTech - The Board Game of Armored Combat. Buy digital, crop and print on neoprene for about $100 all in. Released first in 1988 with cardboard maps and again in 1991 with paper maps, with the same product number. It's amazing how many fandoms are represented. In comparison to others are battletech ships to small? Battletech: Hardware Studios Dropships size comparison & next paint schemes Cranky Old Gamer 2.77K subscribers 2.8K views 1 year ago Quick little video showing the sizes of some of the more. German edition published in 1993 as "GeoTech I" (see below). For all their benefits though, ProtoMechs have several drawbacks (beyond that associated with using EI). The A Game of Armored Combat boxed set includes two unique, double-sided 18 x 22 full-color game maps, with maps called Grasslands #2, Grasslands #3, Desert #2 and Desert #3. The hyphen that was sometimes used in older German TRO titles (e.g. So now enter the "General Size Comparison Chart" from Technical Readout: 3039 (2009), that's pretty recent. The game can be played on essentially any terrain. The Irresponsible Captain Tyler. [3], However, the problem of finding suitable pilots was harder to overcome. I can't see a 35 tonner being as tall, or as bulky, as a 75 tonner, which Battletech has several times tried to pass ideas akin to this one. I used the blue for cutting out lakes, ponds and rivers, greens for light/heavy trees, black/gray for buildings, roads and city base layer. This stunning 16-cm BattleTech Rifleman, for instance, was made in 1/100 scale on an Anycubic Photon Mono X . Thanks to you both, that does help. Under standard rules the mapsheet is also referred to as a unit of distance with the range of artillery pieces being originally expressed in terms of the number of mapsheets (or "boards") a given unit could fire. Unlike classification, the distinction between Large and Small WarShips does have certain effects under the game rules. After the Great Refusal and the destruction of the Smoke Jaguars, many Clans launched raids on Huntress in order to acquire the technology for their own purposes. ~Orin J. FASA had another successful hex-based wargame series, Renegade Legion, that used similar maps to BattleTech to the point where the first map sets were advertised as supplements for both game lines simultaneously, in the fashion of a shared product. They're the white drawings to the right of the giant purple triangle. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts, Somewhere between dawdle and a Leviathan full of overkill. [7], Grassland A BattleMat Foothills #2 Rolling Hills #4, Grassland B BattleMat Forward Base Open Terrain #2, Grassland C BattleMat Rolling Hills #3 Foothills #1, Grassland D BattleMat Open Terrain #3 Streams, Grassland E BattleMat Lakes River CommCenter. Players are free to create hex-based terrain to play on, and earlier mapsheets had backs with blank hex grids on which players could draw terrain features as desired. And you'll likely want additional 3d terrain to put on top. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. I bought a several yards of various greens, browns, tans, blue, black and grey. A Gundam Particle cannon is the comparable damage to a capital ship weapon, and vaporizes all the armor it touches, taking out entire mechs in a single shot, absolutely coring them completely. Clix is played on N scale 1:160~ where a 1/16th of an inch is a scale foot. When something as simple as size keeps shifting from 3 to 5+ stories in height it gets a bit difficult to concentrate ;-). As luck would have it, the decision proved fortuitous: Clan aerospace pilots' small bodies allowed them to easily fit inside the cockpit of a ProtoMech, while their brains and circulatory systems, bred to withstand high-G maneuvering, could better endure the negative side effects associated with the EI system. FanPro product #10990, released in 2003. So stupid big is stupid without magic technology and materials. This page was last edited on 24 February 2023, at 15:28. Someone must've put a ton of time into this with how many ships are represented on here. You could also put plexiglas or lexan over the top for additional $. It keep them from shifting around too much and provides some protection. (Where if we present human can figure out buildings 40-50 stories easy, future human must have like hundred stories buildings . When Task Force Serpent first encountered ProtoMechs during the Battle of Huntress, they were completely unknown, and the task force gave them designations in the field. The K and D resculpt infantry are in true mech scale and you can compare them to DA infantry here. Count the heat hawk as an axe. Various fan organizations and third parties have created custom mapsheets for tournaments or general gaming. Batter might be a bit messy, although you could make pancakes after, I suppose. In the wake of the Dig, Defend, or Die 2018 Worldwide Event, a series of related PDF products was released by CGL that included the scenario's Terrain Set of four newly created maps under the "Map Pack" moniker. Due to their size and tonnage, ProtoMech weapon loadouts are somewhere between that of battle armor and 'Mechs. There's a human figure inserted for comparison. Special rules are provided for playing on certain maps. FASA product #1663, released in 1991. With their fusion engines, they can move considerably faster than battle armor but are more compact than BattleMechs. Using the original mapsheet art, and sized for compatibility with the original printed sheets and newer Hex Packs alike, they are meant as a PDF game aid to be printed out as required. And it looks like they accidentally cut off part of the M-5 Caspar's aft end. C Calculon Emergency Comedy Hologram Validated User Captain; 1,471,925 C-bills Technical specifications 'Mech type Inner Sphere BattleMech Mass 30 tons Chassis Republic-R Armor Durallex Medium Engine Leenex 60 Communications System Dalban Interact Targeting Tracking System Dalban Urban Heat Sinks 11 single Speed 32 km/h Jump Jets Pitban 6000 Armament 1x AC/10 1x small laser BV (1.0) 454 BV (2.0) 504[1][2] A number of Map Sets and Map Set Compilations were published as supplements for the game, providing additional gaming maps with new hex-based terrain. "Men, fetch the Urbanmechs. [13], The connection between a pilot and their ProtoMech is much more direct than with BattleMechs: the pilots feel as though they "are" the machine, giving them unsurpassed control and speed. Of course, the size of the 3D printed BattleTech miniatures mainly depends on the size of the terrain you are using for tabletop games. However, CGL reverted to paper maps by 2018 for cost reasons.[6]. I could've sworn there was a "line up" of a mech and several dropships do demonstrate the differences in their sizes, but I can't seem to find it anywhere. Sets with other playing maps were later produced as game supplements. A HumVee is as heavy and big as a tank!" Per pg20 Total Warfare, 'Mechs "stand eight to fourteen meters tall". Dubbed ProtoMechs, the ultimate goal of these machines was for a Point of five, working in unison, to be as effective as a BattleMech, while requiring less than half the amount of construction resources. It has no impact on gameplay. Download the BattleTech Advanced 3062 Installer from the link provided above. Beyond these it should be noted that some products like the Turning Points series typically include maps such as individual planetary maps for the worlds featured. Falls under "quality control". By that time still were produced and used some first-generation ProtoMechs. Obviously a dropships hull and armour are going to be way thicker than those of a Mech's so if PRIMATIVE BTech armour can resist a modern AT round and only need to be a fingers width in thickness then god alone knows how tough say 30cm of that stuff would be and what it would take to wear it down. The printed size of a standard mapsheet is 22 inches by 18 inches (not 22 by 17 as many rulebooks suggest). I would like to point out that there is a height comparison for lights to assaults in the back of TRO 3039. they are compared to the height of a typical human. When is wave 2 happening? I really wish that were the case. Hex sides were printed with various colors to show the changes in terrain features and elevations that could affect the use of certain abilities and equipment. It's like saying "hey! I keep hearing about it but not dates. 1. . Your BattleTech News Roundup For January, 2023, Your BattleTech News Roundup For December, 2022, https://www.sarna.net/wiki/index.php?title=ProtoMech&oldid=911494. The infantry are comprable in size, but mounted differently. A Gundam is 18 meters. The figures are generally too large to fit into standard sized hexes though. 3. add battletech.exe process to exclusion list for windows defender. This gave room for the pilot to ride in the torso while still allowing ample space for weapons. The Ishiyama map was intended to be cut in quarters and then randomly arranged each match to reflect the unknown layout of the arena. The map is marked "Casus Belli 1994 Carte conue par Michal Salicetto, dessin Bernard Bittler BATTLETECH est un jeu dit par Jeux Descartes sous licence FASA". Is this true? In BattleTech, spacegoing WarShips are often classified with the following terms, based on their role. [5] The original AeroTech map was another departure, being printed on a half inch hex-grid rather than the one and a quarter inch grid in BattleTech for both an outer space map and a low altitude map. Maps included: Large Mountain #1, Deep Canyon #1 (double-sided). The casting is excellent. A map set focused on the desert biome, with six 17 x 22", double-sided paper maps. Grasslands #2, Grasslands #3, Desert #2 and Desert #3. The first sculpt Atlas goes only to the hip. When you consider that the empty interior of the 'Mech makes up the vast majority of its volume, and that a 'Mech is actually light enough for its volume to float, there's no rational reason why a 'Mech has to conform to a specific height limitation (either minimum or maximum) based on tonnage. Five additional hex maps were included. (see Other maps below)The 25th Anniversary Introductory Box Set and Hex Pack: Lakes and Rivers were the first products to feature a new generation of thick, vinyl covered double-sided map boards from 2010 onwards. and printing them via Inked Gaming on a neoprene map (neoprene maps are totally worth it). I haven't been able to really find anything on my own so I'm turning here to see if you guys know anything that would help. Certainly if you took all the art, even just out of '39 or '25, and stacked them all so that they're all around same head height, I would believe it. Scale in battletech miniatures is an iffy thing, even within figures made within a similar time frame, I wouldn't fret about it too much. Does anyone know if there is a chart or table or something somewhere that lists the height of each mech in meters? So I guess the answer is 1:285 (6mm) is "considered" default but the other two are likely to work. [2] Under AeroTech rules, each hex on the low altitude map corresponds with a mapsheet at the ground level. The French gaming magazine Casus Belli, who had ties to the official publisher of the French edition of BattleTech (Jeux Descartes), published a BattleTech map in 1994 that is copyrighted to the magazine, but matches the style found in other BattleTech maps. and our Well miniatures are a different piece of cake. [6][7][8] Huge difference, since the clix are about twice as large. The only known combat deployment of these hybrid ProtoMechs was during the Blakist strike against the Capellan Confederation world of Necromo in late 3071 and it is not known if they were the first of their kind or a technological dead end. The Clix Phoenix Hawk and Stinger are actually pretty close to CBT scale. Beyond that, it's up to the designer to fit it all together in a manner that functions, regardless of how tall it ends up being. Official height (dimensions) of Mechs and Vehicles? Your enemies might have a few anti-air mechs or vehicles that will easily eliminate fighteres and need to be taken out. I always justify it with things like ff armor is bulkier than standard, xl engines are bulkier than standard. Here's what the Catalyst neoprene maps look like, they're double sided. Developer: The Problem with those Side by Side Graphs is that it's a 2D picture of a 3D Model. Even more so when the subject is infantry carriers. A map set focused on unusual biomes, with two double-sized, 34 x 22", double-sided paper maps. -Moonsword. Conversely, some Renegade Legion products contain mapsheets that were never officially published for BattleTech, but can be used for BattleTech nonetheless. I or the old me. made a map pack. You can do anything you want in it. I like using cheap poster frames for two and four maps. For more information, please see our Disclaimer: I posted in this topic simple because its the first topic that google search will deliver. Two additional weapons or pieces of equipment can be mounted on the torso, though their combined weight cannot exceed two tons, and each arm can mount one weapon no greater than a half-ton in weight. [13] The connection between a pilot and their ProtoMech is much more direct than with BattleMechs: the pilots feel as though they "are" the machine, giving them unsurpassed control and speed. Damn that is a massive difference, glad I didn't decide to put a bid on the set that I saw online. Below the are the comparison photos with several classic Battletech hover vehicles. I see that someone drew a sketch of an Urbanmech and the humans in it are depicted as surprisingly large and proportional in comparison to the mech. There a nice 'Mech / vehicle scaling chart in TRO: 3039. Additionally, the Proto's small size makes it harder to hit, and even if it loses an arm or head the unit can remain combat effective. 'Let the poetry of darkness be written henceforth!. It's top walking speed is 60 odd kph. Since this product was not published directly by a BattleTech IP owner or licensee, its status as an official product is arguable. [1] Also benefits from 3d terrain on top/books under. I'm assuming you mean the WizKids "Clix" versions and the IWM versions? We want to get our hands on battle maps that are bigger and better quality than the Battletech maps. Martial Successor Nadesico. [5], ProtoMechs achieved their baptism of fire during the Battle of Huntress, which was also when Smoke Jaguar Khan Lincoln Osis first learned of the program. Find one in your country/region to avoid paying high shipping fees. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. It should have had. How's it sit? when playing on other hex terrain), one "board" translates as 17 hexes for determining range. Press J to jump to the feed. Thanks. The guy specifically asked for maps, not for instruction on not using them. - jklantern. [12], ProtoMechs mass between two to fifteen metric tons and stand anywhere from four to six meters in height, with the cockpit mounted in the upper chest. while lights usually are more spindly and thin. Walking the fine line between sarcasm and being a smart-ass. In addition, punch-out map pieces of various sizes are included to modify the maps as well as a booklet with scenarios and rules expansions for the basic game from Tactical Operations. The Atlas is (If I recall correctly) about 11 or 12 meters in height and is one of the taller 'mechs. German edition published in 1993 as "GeoTech II" (see below). Yes, a Battletech PPC can vaporize 0.66 tons of armor. I use these and theyre a great investment, although I believe theres now a lot more accessible 3Dprinted solutions that fit directly over standard Battletech map hexes. A high-quality neoprene map set focused on unusual biomes, with four double-sized, 34 x 22", double-sided BattleMats. [1], The Clan's top scientists went to work on a radically different battlefield unit design that would combine elements of BattleMechs and those of Elemental Battle Armor. The Luthien from 1993 included a loose double-sided map. 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