Mag..243 Winchester vs. 6mm Remington7x57mm Mauser vs. 7mm-08 Remington.25-06 Remington vs. .257 Weatherby Magnum.338 Winchester vs. .375 H&H Magnum.30-30 Winchester vs. .35 Remington.257 Roberts vs. .250-3000 Savage.270 Winchester vs. .280 Remington.35 Whelen vs. 9.3x62mm Mauser.416 Rigby vs. .416 Remington Magnum.308 Winchester vs. .30-06 Springfield.22 Nosler vs. .224 Valkyrie.300 Win. The 0.350-inch difference in length changed the entire game, and the belted Lott case will push a 500-grain bullet to 2,300 fps, for over 5,900 ft.-lbs of energy. Barnes shows (from a 26 barrel) about 2500 fps from their Banded. I feel that somewhere in the middle lies the best balance of trajectory, striking power and ease of shootingthose lower .40-caliber cartridges. The old .40-caliber cartridge (released in 1902) was used by Jim Corbett for tiger and leopards in India, as did John Pondoro Taylor in Africa. Hunting dangerous game requires a rifle cartridge larger than most of us use regularly, one with the ability to save your bacon and to end a confrontation quickly and without anyone getting hurt. Actual bullet diameter was .423-inch, already established in Europe as the 10.75mm. The .450 3-inch Nitro Express This is one of the original success stories, coming at the end of the 19th century, setting the benchmark for the performance of dangerous game cartridges for decades to come. The 404 uses more powder, which I guess is due to larger case capacity, and since velocities are similar, I suppose the 404 runs at lower pressure. Its as simple as that! Their designation uses the smaller land (rather than groove or bullet) diameter. Ive seen its effects first-hand, and it is a true stopping rifle. Any .45-Bore, 10-pound rifle with 3-pound trigger. Swift High Grade Dangerous Game ammo in .404 Jeffery. The .458 Winchester Magnum Remember I told you that supplies of ammunition for the British cartridges dried up in the 50s? The game rangers of Tanzania, Kenya, and North and South Rhodesia were issued .404 Jeffery bolt-action rifles for game control work. Editor's Note: This article originally appeared in the May 2020 issue of Gun Digest the Magazine. of energy. Muz. I am not a man who is really into velocity and energy figures. Some are more than a century old; some came about in my lifetime. As is typical, there are exceptions to every rule, nevertheless the rule holds true.As for the .404 Jeffrey, she's a gem, no doubt about it! The .404 Jeffery uses a 400-grain bullet of .423-inch diameter, with the original load leaving the muzzle at 2,150 fps and modern loads ramping up that figure to 2,350 fps. vs. .458 Lott7mm Rem. The .300 Winchester has a case length of 2.62 inchescompared to the earlier Winchester Magnum's 2.500-inch lengthand an overall length of 3.340 inches. Couple that with the huge frontal diameter (.505-inch) and youve got an elephant stopper that isnt all that terrible on the shoulder. bullet at 2125 f.p.s. The .450-400 3-inch is also known as the .400 Jeffery. This means that the momentum of a rifle's reaction will exactly equal the momentum of the bullet and powder gasses ejected from the barrel. Launching a 300-grain, .411-inch-diameter bullet at 2,200 fps for slightly more than 3,200 ft-lb of muzzle energy, the .405 Winchester is definitely light, especially in comparison to the .375 H&H with heavy bullets. Both of these were chambered in .375 H&H, .416 Rigby, .458 Win and .458 Lott. Get the latest news and reviews from Gundigest.com. 44 Magnum 45-70 45-90 45 Long Colt 45-.120 Basic.450 Marlin.450 Nitro.450 Nitro 3 1/4.458 Win. I dont think the modern Jeffery loadthe 400-grain bullet at 2350 fpsgives up much to the Rigby, though the higher sectional density of the Rigby bullet might influence a choice, but the greater frontal diameter.423-inch v. .416-inchmight offset that concept. at the muzzle. There have been many designs over the years. In the Norma PH line of ammunition, which uses heavier-than-normal bullet weights, both the Rigby and the Jeffery drive a 450-grain Woodleigh softpoint or FMJ to the same muzzle velocity of 2150 fps. If you are one of the few owners and shooters of the Jeffery, I wish you nothing but success and happiness. This rimmed, bottle-necked cartridge was developed in the early 20th century by W. J. Jeffery, and was a redesign of the earlier 3-inch version. Mag. Recoil for both the 9.3x62 and .404 Jeffery are noticeably less than the .458 Win. The granddaddy of bolt-action big-game calibers is the .458 Win. The .458 Winchester was born, claiming to drive a 510-grain bullet at 2,150 fps from the muzzle of the Model 70. Whether setting sights on a distant trophy or ringing steel out to 4000 yards, the Vortex Razor HD 4000 GB ballistic laser rangefinder delivers all the range, ballistic, and environmental data needed for confident accuracy. "Mit Scharnier" MTM RLLD-50er Patronenbox fr .300/.458 Win Mag/.444 Marlin u.v.m grn 8,50 . Dead heat here. And, Ive found theres a definite ramp-up in recoil when you go to the 500-grain, .45-caliber cartridges, which run at 2,150 fps and upward. Most of the information in circulation regarding suitable cartridges is advertising and hype. There are good, modern loads available from Hornady, using the DGX and DGS bullets, and plenty of good brass for the handloader. The other is less felt recoil so tend to shoot it better I would think. Mind you, the recipe is a familiar one: 500-grain bullet at 2,150 fps, but with a bit more frontal diameter and yet enough sectional density to penetrate even the honeycombed bone of an elephant skull. The design is certainly sound: In both factory ammunition and handloaded stuff, Ive seen nothing but good results from the .416 Ruger. It looked good on paper, but there were immediate problems. The classic recipe is a 300-grain slug at 2,550 feet per second (fps), generating just over 4,000 ft.-lbs. Rifles chambered in .505 Gibbs and .500 Jeffery include a mercury recoil reducer installed in the stock. The premium 300-grainers and the Woodleigh 350-grain bullets in the Norma African PH line of ammo will get the job done. A 500 grain .458 bullet at 2,040 feet per second is still an extremely potent load and is quite effective on the whole range of thick skinned dangerous game in Africa. 6,5 Creedmoor .308 Win. There are those who find the lighter cartridgesthe 9.3mms and .375sto be the pinnacle of versatility, because they offer trajectories similar to some of the popular deer cartridges, such as the .308 and .30-06, yet carry enough horsepower to handle even the largest game. I prefer the 404J. Its recoil, while higher than that of the .375 H&H, is manageable in a well-fitting rifle. Donor brass is readily available; and, with a good set of dies, you end up with a belted case that fits perfectly in a long-action receiver. The cartridge received some negative press early on, but in a high-quality, controlled-round-feed action, this cartridge is nothing shy of amazing. While it doesnt feed very well in a bolt-action rifle, there are many double rifles available in this chambering, and Ruger chambers its fantastic No. Given the option I'd take the .404 over the .458, any day. I think there is so much overlap with cartridges that perhaps the title should be reworded to 10 of the best instead of the 10 best, at which point there is little argument that any of these fit the bill. / .38-72 / .405 Win / .375 Ruger / .400 Nitro Exp./ .404 Jeffery. Selbys .470 double rifle had been accidently run over and damaged, and the only suitable rifle he could find in Nairobi was a dirty, rusty-looking .416 Rigby. Though there were so few produced, the reputation of the .416 Rigby inspired writers like Jack OConnor, who also sang its praises. S.D. Though it isnt among the most popular cartridges in the safari worldyet it has earned a place of reverence among professional hunters and those in the knowit has received a facelift as of late, with modern loads sending those 400-grain slugs at 2325 fps, for 4,800 ft.-lbs. Yet, pushing a 400-grain bullet to 2,375 fps is a recipe thatll most certainly have great success in the field. It may lack the cachet of the Jeff in the minds of the .1%, but for the rest of us who own and use the .458 Winchester, the .404 Jeffery has a LOT of catching up to do. The choice of one of these .40-caliber cartridges is as subjective as choosing a deer cartridge. A RUGER NO 1 rifle is currently worth an average price of $1,519. As a handloader, I can use the Lott in a couple of ways. vs. .300 WSM.223 Remington vs. .22-250 Remington. For me, enough is enough! In the shooting sports we call that reaction recoil or "kick." The .505 Gibbs is a specialty cartridge that is designed for the heavyweights; it really doesnt make a whole lot of sense to use it on lighter game, as there are much better tools for that job. Compared to the venerable .450-400 3-inch NE, it has a definite advantage in terminal ballistics and an increase in recoil. K.E. But so is the equal and opposite reaction VERY impressive! Mag. Classy and timeless it combines traditional values with the utmost accuracy, excellent ergonomics and safe handling. Because of the length of the cartridge3.75 inchesit requires a magnum-length receiver. It was a particular favorite of Theodore Roosevelt, who dubbed it his medicine gun for lions. 400 grain: 2250 fps/4496 ft-lbs, SD .272 (Federal TBBC) 500 grain: 2090 fps/4849 ft-lbs, SD .341 (Federal TBBC) (L-R): .458 Win Mag, .458 Lott, .460 Weatherby Gnanapragasam Creative Commons .470 Nitro Express The 404 being .423" would have an edge on sectional density while the .458" would have slightly more frontal area. https://www.garrettcartridges.com/penetration.html and https://www.garrettcartridges.com/modern4570.html. Jack Lott, a veteran African hunter, had experienced those issues I outlined regarding the .458 Winchester MagnumIve heard the story of how he was nearly killedand decided to fix the issue. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. By the way, an asidepushed from the same case, with the same powder charge, a larger diameter bullet of the same weight will always yield more velocity. While the trajectory is less than desirable at ranges over 150 yards, consider that most dangerous game is taken well within the 100-yard mark, so theres no real handicap if you choose the .450 NE when picking a dedicated dangerous game rifle. In a good double rifle, the .450 Nitro makes a great choice for elephant, hippo and buffalo, effectively taking all three for well over a century. in Winchester's Model 70 Safari Express is one of the better values in a dangerous game rifle. Looking to enhance your effectiveness in the turkey woods this season? performance moved to standardized status in 1999. Includes 2.5 packets of ammunition if picked up. Any bullet type, any bullet weight, barrel twist to match bullet as needed. for hunting thick skinned game id want at least 450gr in the 458 WM. Do yourself a favor get hold of a .423 bullet and a .458 bullet hold them in your hands ..you will really see a big difference between these two bullets..the .458" is really a lot bigger than the .423" no comparison at allthe 404 Jeffery is made for a 400 gn bullet at 2150 f/s it is deadly as isbut if you are not sure of your competency with such a load/rifle,,you can go heavier I suppose? And since the .404 Jeff is a longer bottle-neck case, it burns a larger dose of slower burning power to achieve about 76% of the ballistics of my .458 Win Mag! Get 12 Issues a year of the country's best firearms writing. That said, you cant go wrong with either. Being a rimmed case, it doesnt translate well to a bolt-action gun, but in a single-shot or double its a true classic. Nobody claims it to be the most accurate fast .30, but it's been a favorite of mine for nearly 40 years. The legacy that WDM Bell leaves us is that perfect shot placement, coupled with proper bullet construction, trumps caliber every time. It is accurate, as hard-hitting as the Rigby, and the recoil is noticeably less than the Rigby case. Thus, thye standard magnum actions (such as 300, 338, 7mm or even 458) should work. So which are the best dangerous game cartridges of all time? of energy at the muzzle. But my affection for Big Bores isnt limited to .458. My wife shoots one, in a Legendary Arms Works Big Five rifle, and she shoots it very well. So also, the 550gr in .458 was an educated guess until I ran the ballisticswhich confirmed it. 1964: Jim Sullivan, formally of Armalite, joins Ruger for the purpose of developing a new bolt action big game rifle to compete with the Winchester Model 70 and Remington Model 700. But thats not to cast doubt with faint praise with todays powders and stronger rifles it is quite capable of impressive performance though nothing extraordinary. In 2008, the joint effort between Hornady and Ruger was expanded to include the .416 Rugera beltless case designed to fit in a long-action receiver, matching the velocity of the Rigby and Remington cases. 404 Jeffery 1909, the era of African safaris was in full swing. Based on my research, the 404 is a standard magnum action. Thats one in 1000! I wouldnt find fault with a hunter for choosing one way or the other, so Ill settle the argument with my own personal decision: I own two .404 Jeffery riflesa Heym Express and a Bansner Customand I dont own a .416 Rigby. Out of a collection, always stored in a gun stock, wasn't bought to bush bash with, only used at the rifle range. The .416 Rigby and .416 Remington are the most popular, followed by the .404 Jeffery. And my rifle cartridges, like myself, have become older & slower!marvquillen@aol.com. <p>New 2nd generation redesigned version. I know there are still some of those stashed on some dealers shelves in my area. The beauty of the .375s is found in the wide selection of bullet weights (235 to 350 grains). Yes, its belt is unnecessary; and yes, the pressure is higher than some shooters like, but in the field, I doubt any animal could ever tell the difference between a Rigby and Remington. The same fate befell the .450 Nitro; ammo became more rare than hens teeth. That load has taken elephant, buffalo and a good number of species of plains game. I wish all such rousing legends were this alive and this well. Ruger added the .416 Ruger in 2009, and that venerable old wildcat, the .416 Taylor, was standardized in 2011. Based on the belted .375 H&H case, using an 8-degree shoulder and the .411-inch-diameter bullets of the .450-400, the .400 H&H hasnt really caught on. A wildcat based on the .458 Winchester Magnum and necked down to hold .416-inch bullets, the .416 Taylor is a solid design. Both are designed to function in a bolt-action rifle, both are (relatively) easy on the shoulder, and can be built in a rifle thats easy to carry. You must log in or register to reply here. The 130-grain bullets leave the barrel at 3300 fps, and the 150-grain slugs are moving at just about 3150 fps; the trajectory is similar to the 7mm Rem. A wildcat based on the shoulder every time the job done / /! 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