These students went into industry in places like Microsoft, Apple, Google etc. Edward Gelerinter was working on electron-spin resonance. If you look at early articles in the Kent Stater, the campus newspaper, there's a lot of discussionDOANE: He loved that concept. It was kind of a pain in the neck for them. You license a technology, and within a short while, sometimes within a year, the company you've licensed it to has already further developed technology and written patents around it, then they're back knocking on the door, negotiating for reduced payments. My wife and I went to [Tacoma]. Brokerage Services Provided by U.S. Condo Exchange, LLC & U.S. Condo Exchange, Inc. He carried the technology to General Motors and got them involved. There was stuff going on like that.CRAWFORD: Was this Hughes Laboratory?DOANE: No, it was not Hughes. CRAWFORD: But students still get their PhD in chemical physics?DOANE: As I understand it, they do [but it may now be broadened to material sciences. Bravo aux quipes pour ce nouveau projet. Charming home in a well kept quiet community. Little Tokyo. We left the mess there. Both of us saw it as a challenge, and I was willing to try to take it on as a dissertation, and he was pleased with that because we thought it would be fun to do. Our very first high-volume manufacturing line was supported by the state of Ohio. At that time, he had written a review paper on liquid crystals. I knew the people, the issues, what the government needed.CRAWFORD: How important would you say knowing people in government and funding agencies is?DOANE: Extremely important. I'm glad to hear it. Glenn was opposed to that but he did not stop me from pursuing the issue . There were a variety of different types of liquid crystal displays being developed at that time with many industrial efforts to develop a full color flat-panel screen. The twist cell turned out to be the best approach but had its own drawbacks. Oral History Interview with J. William Doane by Matthew Crawford. University patenting was difficult for different reason, but from what I understand, I think around '65, '67, there was an individual in the federal government who was trying to make it easier for federal universities to patent research. They wanted to show that there was economic benefit to all of this. But the nice thing about it is, you can erase it and use it over again. That would've been fine, except when Jim was at Kent State, when he was writing the patent for this twist cell, he got some development money from Timex, a US wristwatch company. Then, in RCA, there was a group. As a university, we may have, at one time, been the largest contributor to talks and demonstrations at those Society conferences. We started a project studying these materials with electric field pulses. John West is the one to talk about that.CRAWFORD: He took over as director after you, correct?DOANE: He did [at a time when the new building was being built]. This would give the University the opportunity to license it off to other companies for other kinds of display applications besides signs. It has easy access to city transportation and the BOB bus route. I did consider staying there. ________________[1] Dr. Doane wants to be clear that Goodyear's interest in liquid crystal displays for their blimp was separate from his receipt of the award from the Society for Information Displays. I kept mine, as did a few others, but faculty were finding it more difficult to get research funding, because [, in part,] the basic research was becoming [better] known. DOANE: Yeah. The mall closed to customers Wednesday evening It is scheduled to reopen . Fundamentally, it's very simple. That's what went on in the 70s. And then you can only see a nice image indoors. The only ways to do that were visibility and having something really pertaining to the needs of the country. And the city of Kent got nothing from it. Here, we had a new technology, we had patents on it. Did those events shape the Institute in any significant way? He had this telescope that could pick them up when they came in at any particular angle. It was called nuclear spin pumping. It was just a great display to start high volume manufacturing. He said, "Well, I wonder if you'd like to work with me and help me. The attitude in industry for commercializing the technology ultimately was just not there. There were also new types of liquid crystal display technologies created that were commercialized. Paranormal Cirque III - Brandon, FL - April 27 - 30, 2023 Hosted By Paranormal Cirque III. But it would've been nice [to have kept Fegasons industrial pursuit linked in a friendly way with the academic pursuit of the institute such that his industry could have survived. They may have been beginning to think, "How are we going to do a big flat panel consisting of a matrix of many pixels?" ]CRAWFORD: Do you think it would've been better for the field of liquid crystal science if there had been more interaction between industry and academia?DOANE: It would've been better for Kent, I can tell you that. Beautiful Brick Front End Unit Townhome nestled in East Cobb Marietta with NO HOA's. Is there a particular reason why they focused on that type of cell at that time?DOANE: I don't know their reasoning, but I can tell you why I'd choose it. For the guy who takes on the challenge of the unpopular aspects of science it is often the guy who finds the exciting breakthroughs. $269,900. At that time, I didn't think too much about job opportunities in cosmic-ray physics, although I should've been. Glenn learned that he wanted to immigrate, and Glenn wanted to see if he could get him. A lot of their sales, I think, are foreign. I think this is the only example I know of where this has happened, where two different countries have a different patent ownership. The written line is erased electrically by simply pressing a button whereby the cholesteric liquid crystal is electrically switched from its color reflective state to its background state. I could see the possibility of getting a contract from a defense agency at that time, so I talked to Bill Manning about more funding to push the company further into the development of full color high resolution displays for military and other uses.. Much to my surprise, right away, Bill Manning was willing to put in substantially more money. But it was clear that it wasn't going to be a very big business, and I wasn't sure that Bill Manning would ever get that much enjoyment out of signs. [There's a faculty member at Kent, Phil Bos that I'd like for you to interview.] I wound up getting the equipment that Bell Labs was using. On the bad side, it shut down a lot of the interpersonal activity it takes to get things done. Fergason got some money out of it, and Hoffmann-La Roche got the license. [Laugh] I thought that was so funny. But he did like the concept of working with liquid crystals in living systems, what their role was. The more you know about what they want, the better proposal you can write, the better you can fit in, the better you can adjust what you're doing to what they're doing. We had regular meetings all the time. I couldn't run the company because I was directing the Institute. CRAWFORD: Do you have a sense of why that was?DOANE: I don't know. One texture reflects a beautiful colored light. [These days universities are now very involved in that kind of research, further exploring its feasibility for certain applications. CRAWFORD: What was the reaction to that?DOANE: They picked up on it, but they didn't always do it as well as I would have liked. I just wanted to be from a place that people recognized. He wanted it to be apart from the research campus, but for the research to be very basic. The universities, back then [ particularly before Bayh-Dole ] didnt have ways to manage secrets or patents necessarily, but universities can these days which ends up being transferred in some way to industry. It was really a difficult process. We needed to be working with another university on polymers. Bill got the company going, but the defense contracts helped it to grow to further develop the technology. The company's success is, in a large part, due to him and it is fitting that he be CEO today.CRAWFORD: Around what time did you step back from full-time work at the company?DOANE: It happened gradually over the years. That was what really got the company off the ground. I think one of the biggest impacts we had on display technology is on cell phones that came from our students. DOANE: I don't think so. This chemical physics program was still on the books, but nobody was using it anymore. A year earlier, they had awarded 12 of these. Many properties of these cosmic rays were unknown at the time. They don't want to establish competitors [before they have the product on the market]. Nobody knew who he was because he was never there. There are alignment layers, retardation films, liquid crystal materials where significant contributions are made. But after two years, passing all these candidacy exams, all this coursework, I talked to Shirley, and we thought maybe it would be the thing to do. [Laugh] [Polymer dispersed liquid crystals (PDLCs) became known in industry as well, worldwide.] I did see its potential in applications and recognized that it should probably be patented. This would make a black-and-white display, but it required a lot of power. I wanted to make a success out of KDI. DOANE: Yes. What did you want to see develop here?DOANE: The university was doing an awful lot of licensing of switchable window technology to Japan. And there were other experiments he had in mind where I thought it would be a really fun field to be in. You can't have any dust particles around. And the Army became interested in full color, and I was able to get a contract with the defense agencies through DARPA to develop full color on flexible plastic substrates. I appreciate you doing this. I was further able to convince them, because Kent Displays was very small and didn't have much of an R&D unit, to let us use their facilities, at a cost, of course, to develop the technology further. I had a lot of trouble doing it because chemistry viewed it as an encroachment. But he wound up going to General Motors. Well, that was marvelous. I could have a display film that was flexible, the liquid crystal wouldn't flow out of it, it was trapped inside of it. When I got to high school, my father sold all that property in Nebraska and moved to Southern Missouri. I dont know what he called his company, but I think he made good business out of that. It's a film that goes on a liquid crystal display so you can see it at a very wide angle. There is one here at Kent Displays that is used to welcome people.CRAWFORD: I've seen that. Or are you working with scientists at the LCI?DOANE: Yes, today we use those facilities. That deal ended up falling through. CRAWFORD: In the scientific world, especially in academia, publication is very important. It's a win-win situation to have local companies build up around a university. I started applying at various places, and there was this one school looking for people. That moves LCI from this space where it had been in between physics and chemistry to its own space. 1 of 8. Cutting edge amenities, meticulously-groomed grounds, and a dedicated staff contributes to a higher standard of living. The University of Akron was quite agreeable. Right away, I could see this might have some value in reflective display technology, so we wrote the patent really quickly, and that patent was followed by other patents related to that technology, all developed under ALCOM. [Laugh]CRAWFORD: Why did it seem so important or crucial to do this grant?DOANE: I thought it was marvelous. And because he was very interested in applications, I believe he was [more entrepreneurially oriented]. [Laugh] I have one bigger question for you. 2 Beds; 2.5 Baths CRAWFORD: Was the goal to further understand the properties of liquid crystals? He got an appointment at Texas A&M. 2 hours from Lincoln, NE. But primarily USC and Kent State carried the ball in this program.. We met a lot and really worked closely together. I did it formally a few years back, maybe three or four years ago. if it wasn't for liquid crystals. Another senator saw this and said, "That shouldn't be. We had all the patents on this, so I flew down to Texas to talk to this company and tell them, "Look, we have the patents on this, and we're going to protect them. We were just trying to understand what the liquid crystal phases looked like on a molecular level.] Were you working on these kinds of questions about how to improve displays?DOANE: Oh, yes. I had good industrial and other support for this site visit. Nowadays, we have software that keeps track of publications, and you can get a score based on the quantity you have. [Laugh] But there's no manufacturing in the U.S. that I'm aware of. It was a very fun time, actually. One thing I did, in order to keep faculty focused when someone would give a talk, was to make them bring a demonstration. My father was very interested in astronomy, and he would point out things to me about the Milky Way, the various stars, and so on. More important, there was no centralized funding. More so then than now.CRAWFORD: What was the nature of that difference?DOANE: [Back when Glenn first formed the institute this gap was larger than today in that universities didnt see it as their business to perform research of industrial interest. I think people see me more in that light than in terms of making a big scientific contribution. He wasn't spending time at the Institute, the two weren't speaking to one another, and Glenn wanted to ask me if I would support him firing Fergason. A successful company generates royalties for the university They build upon each other.] That is, how these nuclear spins interact with the lattice of molecules in a solid material and exchange energy. When the time came I went to Kent, and one person I interviewed with was the dean for research, who at that time was Glenn Brown. Also, of course, the University would get a royalty. [Laugh] We wound up with a clear liquid mess on the laboratory bench. Probably within a year, we were selling signs. Maybe someday well do it.CRAWFORD: What was the challenge that prevented it?DOANE: Size and weight. At that time, the University attorney to handle this was from the firm Watts, Hoffman, Fisher, and Heinke. We had meetings and all sorts of interactions, particularly through the Hughes Research group. 2 car garage and Large front yard. That may have been what caught their attention. Information on the people and the population of Les Avenires Veyrins-Thuellin. I thought it probably was the best thing to do because I didn't see anything going anywhere. The very first conference Glenn formed, I pulled out the booklet for that to see who had attended, and there were a few people from industry. He could not have done it if it hadn't been for the president, Robert White. Glenn called me into his office and wanted to talk about Jim Fergason. You need extremely clean environments to do display research as well as switchable windows and other things. I'm stepping ahead a little bit, but after a few years when Glenn appointed me as associate director or whatever the title was, the first thing I did was go to the dean of arts and sciences and say, "I'd like to build a building on the research campus for liquid crystal research." To me, that has made this a delight because you knew so much. But it sounds like it was, in some ways, good for the LCI because [inaudible]. CRAWFORD: It just seemed like the right thing to do.DOANE: It just seemed like the thing to do! Kent State university and its ALCOM center has probably graduated more students in the display industry than any other university in the US. They benefit each other mutually. Listing Provided Courtesy of Aleks Gilbert. Its called that because it can be found in the cholesterol of living systems. But I did follow what Asad did for the company during the pandemic, and I thought he did a fine job. CRAWFORD: Would you say that's true for yourself, that you've learned better when you can see the uses?DOANE: Oh, yeah. It took several years to get through it, and I think the total expenditures on this, which were provided by Bill Manning, were around $8 million. I knew it would take millions of dollars to do it. Was the intention originally to produce products for the market?DOANE: We wanted to make and sell things, and we did. But our initial work with General Motors really set the stage for becoming a display-oriented group because we then had a clean room and other facilities needed for this. My father was a farmer, however my mother was from the East and very well-educated. The primary reason I did was Jim McGrath and Tony Silvidi. Things like the Bayh-Dole Act got the state to start thinking differently. I thought, "I'm going to see if I can get the administration to let me use this program in the Institute." However, from another point of view, it never hurts to have a crisis because it causes people to think other ways. I think there have been quite a few spin-offs since. Typically, they have those meetings in March. I didn't know much about writing patents. I think one of the biggest contributions ALCOM made was its students. They began to take a real interest in this technology because it was reflective, displayed color and was low power. I never did like the idea of the technology going to Asia when it was really developed here in the US and in Europe. Well, I talked to Shirley, and we didn't know that we could really afford to move down there. So I got a board, drilled holes to put the tube in, ran wires down it to put in the holes [and got the oscillator to work]. I didn't view it as a building necessarily with its own administrative structure, rather as a building to support research. I thought liquid crystals were really a great thing to focus on. [Laugh] I had to try to tie all of these programs together to show how they could blend together. When I came to Kent in 1965, physics had just started its graduate program. Crises aren't always that bad in the sense that they can move things along and force people to look at other ways. One thing that hurt the company a lot in the early years, a company down in Texas started making cholesteric displays infringing on our technology. But that was the way Glenn wanted it. In fact, this company has received funds from the state of Ohio. John West had come aboard by then and was involved, too, because John was getting very involved in the development of these dispersions. CRAWFORD: If I understood you correctly, a spin-off company doesn't necessarily mean more financial benefit for a university than licensing does. Was that something you sought out?DOANE: At that time, I was looking at other things, actually. This fundamentally means you're only using half the light. Immediately after we started Kent Displays, Inc., other faculty, students and postdocs got the message and said, "Maybe we should do this." They saw that it had opportunity, so they patented it in Europe. That was even before the shootings. At that time, a group at Xerox had started looking at it. They provide places for the students to work. Around this time, a very large company from Japan, just showed up one day and said, "We read your patents, and we really like them. Then, we hired [another very capable organic synthesis chemist], Mary Neubert. The building didn't come until a while after THEMIS. Phil Bos knows what those students did when they went out there. CRAWFORD: Is there anything else particular about Northeast Ohio that's advantageous for companies?DOANE: Well, it's just a nice place to live. But when I married Shirley, she knew from the very beginning I wanted to go back to graduate school. Natural selection has taken its toll and only the best establishments have survived this shift in demographics. We graduated a lot of students in the ALCOM center, not only from Kent State but Case Western Reserve and Akron. Updated fixtures and lighting in bathrooms. That may have caught their attention. CRAWFORD: When you told us about the discovery of polymer-dispersed liquid crystals, it sounded like it sort of happened by accident, because you had this researcher from Italy who had put the epoxy in and left it, and the next day, its whoa, this happened. Kent was in a predicament at that stage. It was a source of funding in an exciting area of research for faculty to get into and apply what they knew to that. Between the time I interviewed and when I came here, Glenn had already started putting together the Liquid Crystal Institute. I told President Mike Schwartz, and his [Vice President for Academic Affairs] at the time, [Terry] Roark. And he was very helpful and supportive of this sort of thing. Here, there was the idea that you might be able to do this with just radio waves. However, now I had a system that looked like I could do applied research. Then, lawsuits began to fly all over the place. Another problem at that time, which isn't an issue anymore, was having the right kind of liquid crystal material to use it with. And by then, things weren't working out well with Saupe, either. My father, in order to afford to send them to high school and college, started a little filling station that developed into a country store. Absolutely. Kansas Manhattan Houses $1,400 710 S Manhattan Ave 710 S Manhattan Ave, Manhattan, KS 66502 South Manhattan 2 Beds 1 Bath 1400 Sqft Contact Property Learn more, take a tour, and get one step closer to your new home. If you wish to report an issue or seek an accommodation, please. It really got very bad. People in California are able to start a company a lot more easily. I thought Jim did a nice job getting this program off the ground. [If you apply an electrical pulse to it at a certain voltage level it will go to the color reflective texture. Then, there were some other companies, like Brookstone, that really wanted to sell these things. Kansas Manhattan Houses $625 1225 Claflin Rd 1225 Claflin Rd unit 6, Manhattan, KS 66502 1 Bed 1 Bath Contact Property Learn more, take a tour, and get one step closer to your new home. I'm delighted you're doing it.CRAWFORD: Well, I want to just thank you again for being so generous with your time and sharing your story. I played around with that, though I never could get it to work very well. We put the infringing company out of business, and their attorneys faced a little bit of trouble, too. Then, in 1998, you received the Jan Rajchman Prize from the Society for Information Displays, which is described on their website as, "For an outstanding scientific or technical achievement in or contribution to research on flat-panel displays." That never sat well with me. Asad worked very closely with me on all of these things, and eventually he took over as principal investigator on all government contacts ultimately becoming CTO as I got closer to retirement. You license a technology to some company, and right away, that company starts working on this technology, and they'll figure out better ways to do it and can patent around it. Even Fergason's work was not military-oriented. CRAWFORD: Was there a sense at that time in the late 60s and the 70s, was there a sense that academic science was a different world than industrial science?DOANE: Yes. That was my first inclination that I liked this kind of thing. It has a writing texture similar to paper. I was an officer, so she could come, and we could live off-base. As a good rule of thumb, ideally you would have at least three times your monthly rent in combined household income. Located at Interstate 225 at Alameda Avenue, the Town Center at . The competitive twist cell technology in Asia was getting better and better. I never wanted to run the company because I didn't think I had the right expertise. That turned out to be a really good thing to do. 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