David and his brother Tim Gordon are public personalities and influential figures among a certain set of young, self-styled conservative, very online Catholics Tim is a YouTube personality once associated with the polemicist author Taylor Marshall, and David is a writer and editor at the website Church Militant. And he makes this absolutely clear later in the video: Marshall: Its like Paul in Galatians, he could resist Peter to his face, but he couldnt depose Peter. Dont worry brother[.] I was reading an article about a Florida proposal to install anonymous Jesus mingled with sinners throughout His earthly life. But if you ask David Gordon, that is exactly what happened. Its an important intellectual matter and it merits dispassionate debate. (If you use Google Chrome, first add a Chrome RSS reader or extension. Haven't seen a post from you in ages. David, author Stephanie Gordons brother-in-law, told The Pillar that crucial sections of Ask Your Husband were plagiarized from his own unpublished critique of feminism. I think youre [Steve Skojec] closer to my position than Taylors since both of us wont attend SSPX (for ineffable reasons, even) and yet he will (5:20 PM), In the interest Christian unity, Id like to emphasize that I do NOT believe that@TaylorRMarshallerred by receiving the Eucharist from the SSPX on Easter; regular parishes are widely shuttered and there was no other possibility of receiving the Holy Eucharist. ], Update: called Taylor a little bit ago to wish Happy Easter Monday and bury the petty squabbles. Accusing the Pope of speaking, teaching, or believing heretical things is heresy, as the Pope is protected by the prevenient grace of God from teaching or being a heretic in any way. any waypublic or privateto reconcile with TM is good. He also committed heresy by rejecting the dogma that each Pope has the gift of immunity from error (the gift of truth) and the gift of a never-failing faith. Taylor was a guest on a R4R episode it was really good. Look at what the Church says on the matter: [link] (4-12-20, 9:43 PM), Debating an issue is fragging? . For my part in some irreverent jesting in the wake of this spat, Im sorry. In this episode, you will learn: He was acting as a good father. Cant be sensitive or grudge-holding over some of these memes. . They stopped being men and became guys, and now, in tragic numbers, feckless soy boys. Sorry to see him go, but pride goeth before a fall. (7:45 PM), Petty, self-serving, vindictive, egomaniacal acts like releasing sensitive private 411 about my household during Abbys surgery. I would never frag ya, Disagreeing respectfully is the OPPOSITE of fragging. (4-14-20, 4:36 PM), Precisely, no more feuding in public. Bellarmine also condemned as proximate to heresy, the position that Vatican I made into heresy itself, that the Pope may be a heretic or may teach heresy. The good part is that its NEVER too late to make up[.] And most of these people think youre scum just for going to the Novus Ordo. Will do whatever I can. Only dad does. Its destructive and wrong. They are expressions of imagination and wishful thinking. Its contrary to the Councils, Tradition, Fathers.. Catholics are drama queens, People were accusing me of not reaching out to Taylor. But at first disagreement (my critical review of his book, Infiltration) I was immediately banned from his Twitter page and have been the fodder for his (rather juvenile and petty) insults ever since. . Copyright A.D. 2018 Catholic Stand | Powered by Astra, The Slow Death of ManhoodDr. Obviously I have the theology training and whatnot.. Too many apologists charge ridiculous amounts to come and speak at parishes and conferences. Learn how your comment data is processed. Tim pointed out that after she submitted her manuscript to TAN, Stephanie Gordon actually asked her publisher to remove reference to sources most specifically attributable to Dave, and to add a footnote mentioning her brother-in-law: for this citation, and a handful of others in this chapter, I am indebted to the early research of my husband and his brother, in an early draft of what became my husbands book, The Case for Patriarchy, and also what will in the future become my brother-in-laws book, No ChristianFeminism.. The FSSP Mass she typically attends was closed. Under the dogma of the First Vatican Council, no valid Pope can possibly teach heresy or grave error, nor fail in faith. . Lets take this offline and chat by phone later, yes? There's a race to create catchy headlines. The good part is that its NEVER too late to make up. (9:54 PM), Just gotta retry each day for unity. All the while, Marshall continues to receive Communion, despite rejecting the Roman Pontiff. are the easiest: just send to my email address: apologistdave@gmail.com. The Firing of Tim Gordon. Unfortunately, we have a number of chieftains, some with significant egos; and no William Wallace. Subscribe to my RSS Feed. The current dust-up has far more potentially serious . Hes been ignoring me nearly 100% since almost immediately after he said he wouldnt do another year of TNT. But Trads have flatly misunderstood religious freedom in Dignitatis: read Leo XIIIs IMMORTALE DEI 36, which Trads reject Dave and I agree 100%about Dignitatis, Agreed that there was a modernist intent going in. There are certainly a few factors, as with all etiologies, but I speculate that his evolution regarding SSPX was probably one of them. ), the blog of Ronald L. Conte Jr., Roman Catholic theologian and Bible translator, Conservative Papal Accusers are Fortunate Pope Francis isLiberal, Taylor Marshall was a Catholic for 13 years. Certainly, God gives sufficient grace to everyone to avoid all grave sin and to do His whole will. He didnt. That is pretty much it. Hypocrite. Dont act as if fringe groups and their leaders arent the mob w/ gang bosses on Cath twitter. Quasi-schism is starting to fade . Radical Catholic reactionaries love to habitually go up to the line but not quite goover it. Thats my ecclesiastical position. There is no legal case against her, he emphasized, because in his view, Davids work is essentially a compilation of facts, and not subject to strong copyright protections. And David says the disagreement over the book is a warning about troubling tendencies among far-right conservative Catholic YouTube and social media personalities, many of whom have gained large followings among young Catholics in recent years. I think youre, closer to my position than Taylors since both of us wont attend SSPX (for ineffable reasons, even) and yet he will, In the interest Christian unity, Id like to emphasize that I do NOT believe that. But David said his brothers argument misses the point. He didnt. Is there actually a breaking point? The point of departure was NOT receiving Communionwhich is licit all things consideredbut the apology for not just inaccurate statements about SSPX (which is great!) But not while shots are fired hourly on Twitter and crowds watch on. He also says that during Abby's surgery this past weekend, Taylor tweeted some private and confidential sensitive information about Tim's household, having obtained that information as a result of his (former) close friendship with Tim. The largest imaginablepublic detraction w/ extremely sensitive private info you had as a family friend. Who determines where that is? For my part in some irreverent jesting in the wake of this spat, Im sorry. This sounded very familiar. Marshall then goes on to say that God just wills the Catholic religion. Dr. Taylor Marshall and Tim Gordon of the smashing TnT podcast (Taylor Marshall and co-host Tim Gordon) and YouTube channel join me to talk about the death of men and how it has affected the behavior of the . to media and to feminist opponents of Ask Your Husband.. Why all the handwringing about civility? Most are errors that Pope Francis does not teach. It needs to stop. Never too late when people care for each other in true Christian charity (which I do for Taylor). (4:02 PM), Why all the handwringing about civility? Ask Your Husband was withdrawn from sale and publication late last month by its publisher, TAN Books, causing a minor splash in some Catholic circles on social media in the process. This is contrary to the first Commandment of the Ten Commandments, You shall have no other gods before Me. . The SSPX equaling formal schism stuff is wrong, as far as I know. Thats heteropraxy, not heterodoxy. Because there are many religions, and why are there many religions? The Pillar asked whether that warning could apply to Davids own employer, Church Militant, run by the demagogue Michael Voris, who is himself no stranger to controversy. Only one offering mass, confession and benediction for over a month.], For my part, I didnt even see the SSPX debate your post caused until late afternoon. Take it up with them. (7:58 PM), I called him yesterday. He sent a diplomatic text insinuating there wouldnt be a call. Bottom line: Timothy Gordon is clearly trying to reach out to Taylor and stop the disunity; Taylor Marshall wants no part of it. No reply. There were other pastoral councils that did not condemn a heresy. Daves position and mine, while distinguishable, are in close enough orbit to give faithful, non-contumacious, full-communion Catholics a nice spectrum to examine and choose from. (3:04 PM), Nobody wants the Catholic infighting, Taylor. However, around Easter of 2020 (during the pandemic), I found a bunch of people suddenly debating each other in Catholic . But the debate should be: a) not avoided and b) CIVIL, Nobody wants the Catholic infighting, Taylor. (4-14-20, 5:01 PM), Im fine. (4-13-20, 12:16 AM). And that he committed a severe public detraction of Tim. Could his heresy on these teachings be merely material? They are, A) shes calling names, not me B) my daughter has brain surgery in 90 mins and many of these people want to go to war with good guys like FSSP. And most of these people think youre scum just for going to the Novus Ordo. Submit your mind and heart to the Vicar of Christ, as to Christ himself. Hes got a good heart and weve both had a hard year. Its not the first time. If it is an apologists opinion, not the teaching of the Church I ask, Do you receive the Sacraments from so and so? Do you go to your apologist when you have a problem in your marriage? Where does so and so receive authority to teach? Something happened to men in the last 50 years. An online support campaign that emerged after the firing raised his profile, and along with his brother David, Gordon wrote books and developed his own YouTube following, Tim launched a show for parish orphans and retrogrades, and the brothers authored a Rules for Retrogrades handbook together in 2021. David Gordon says his sister-in-law Stephanie did just that, by lifting a central section of Ask Your Husband from his own efforts. Taylor Marshall is a schismatic and a heretic, and therefore is not properly called a Catholic. Theres an unimagined gap between FSSP and SSPX[.] (4-14-20, 8:58 AM). (If recent history is a guide, I wont get a reply. Gotta be two-sided though. I was being snubbed. Just defending myself with the truth. Its all my idea the way I framed it and created it into an argument, into a cogent thoughtfor someone to waltz in and take that stuff that they don't know about, and to beat me to the punch publishing my own book, filled with my own research, its theft of years of my life.. I will sue themand Im gonna do this as a hobby and then let them rack up the $300,000 bill or whatever it's going to be. TAN added the footnote, but did not remove before publication reference to a particular source Stephanie had asked be omitted. See this list of magisterial teachings. Please contact the moderators of this subreddit if you have any questions or concerns. Hes claiming ownership to the eight or nine broadly speaking antifeminist Scriptural pulls that everyone would know.. Its intolerable, Its a boring, inconsequential, fruitless debate. This shouldnt be engaged in public. I reached out to Tim this morning. My Podcast link: Marshall: I just dont see where anyone on earth can judge the Supreme Pontiff.. His cohort in over 100 videos, Timothy Gordon, publicly spoke out against this, and all hell has broken loose in reactionary ranks, and we have a civil war. In another video, Taylor Marshall says this: I think the Pope has said heretical things. Catholic micro-celebrity is wholly meaningless and mostly fruitless. People hold up a Black Lives Matter banner as they march during a demonstration against racial inequality in Washington, D.C., June 14, 2020. Why we need to stop validating the word feminism (namely its toxic meaning) with some kind of nice adjective, like Christian feminism, new feminism.. The CPDV my conservative Catholic translation of the Bible, from the Latin Vulgate into English, is available at Amazon.com in Kindle format and online here. But according to correspondence obtained by The Pillar, Sophia decided in March 2020 not to publish No Christian Feminism, and released the intellectual property rights for each chapter to the brothers who had composed them. Imagine being me in this situation. But not while shots are fired hourly on Twitter and crowds watch on. Tim tweeted that he wasnt certain why Taylor opted for non-renewal during the peak of TNT popularity, and said that Marshalls evolution regarding SSPX was likely a factor. This shouldnt be engaged in public. When a parish member comes to me and says, So and so said this about the Faith I listen. But its certainly here now. Ron I know under Canon law the pope can resign, but does The conclave then examine the resignation to see if it meets Canon law and was freely done? Catholic micro-celebrity is wholly meaningless and mostly fruitless. If the book were pulled from publication, you might have thought it would be after the publisher faced pushback from scholars taking issue with its provocative reading of the Catholic intellectual tradition. The West is now ready for the RETROGRADE programme of recovery. Mind your business Steve. Take it up with them. Its destructive and wrong. Patheos has the views of the prevalent religions and spiritualities of the world. (3:43 PM), The point of departure was NOT receiving Communionwhich is licit all things consideredbut the apology for not just inaccurate statements about SSPX (which is great!) He is putting himself above the Pope, to judge his teachings to be gravely erroneous. Tim and David Gordon urged that attending Mass and receiving other sacraments from the SSPX could put a soul in peril. The SSPX equaling formal schism stuff is wrong, as far as I know. It's really disappointing to see two Allies so publicly argue. by You are wrong on divorce and remarriage, and absolution and Communion for people living in objective sin. Thats why youll always see me warning against SSPX even though its trending now and him riding the wave. See the pattern there? But while both Gordon brothers have made their living in far-right circles of the Catholic internet, David said his plagiarism charge is about more than his own corner of Catholicism, and about far more than a dispute between brothers. But despite the apparent similarities in topic and content, David told The Pillar he thought much of Ask You Husband was claptrap.. I think (all reactionary issues aside for the moment) Timothy Gordon shows himself to be acting as a Christian should (in terms of seeking to reconcile); Taylor Marshall is not acting in such a fashion. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. Yes, the Open Letter accuses Pope Francis of committing formal heresy, which carries the penalty, under the eternal moral law and Canon law, of automatic excommunication. (1:50 PM), Thats what we are saying: we KNOW the intent was bad. They are[.] Calling FSSP bootlicking (as many who were supporting your tweet were doing) IS fragging. It turns out that Taylor Marshall and Timothy Gordon have had a disagreement regarding SSPX going back to January. I love dialogue; I care about Taylor; most of all, I love the truth. David told The Pillar he still plans to publish a protracted treatment of feminism, which will include his allegedly purloined scholarship on the subject, and be published by his employer, Church Militant. Verses are not contextualized in the scope of scripture as a whole, or even within the biblical book itself., Ask Your Husband is an earnest attempt to respond to some real problems in our culture, ones that plague many marriages, Favale wrote. Wherever it leads. Any Catholics who says about the Pope: I resist him to his face is a schismatic. You would not have predicted that Ask Your Husband would become controversial because too many people were eager to be associated with its ideas, and to claim its arguments as their own. Honesty check time[.] Of course, they are no ordinary brothers. (10:21 AM), Honestly: All I care about is the truth. The latter of which was/is troubling and misleading[.] gofundme for funeral expenses examples. David told The Pillar that TAN informed him it had discontinued the sale and publication of Ask Your Husband in light of his allegation. Anyway, out of the blue, Tim departed from Dr. Marshall's channel. that every Pope has immunity from error by the gift of God, divinely-conferred. He never said. PS: this isnt a big deal. I would never frag ya[.] But youre not understanding that conciliar documents need to be interpreted under the construction most optimally faithful to Tradition, wherever possible. I dont care about the business model. Marshall: "I look at this and I say: You are wrong on Luther. Dwight Longenecker tweeted similarly: When Catholics set themselves up to judge and condemn popes and bishops its not long before they are judging and condemning one another. He was acting as a good father. Ill continue to hope.). Required fields are marked *. Not just VC2. The story David and his brother tell is - if nothing else - a fascinating glimpse into a growing corner of American Catholicism, and into a burgeoning call to restore Christian patriarchy, which has gained traction in conservative Catholic circles. Thanks to Taylor Marshall and Timothy Gordon for the chance to talk about my journey of wincing through this current papacy. . I can get over combat fast, cuz Ive done a lot of literal and figurative fighting[.]. The morning dawned vibrant, perfectly bright. Podcaster and YouTuber. I've had temptations myself I think I've treated Pope Francis a little bit harshly, when I've spoken about him, partly because I want to keep something interesting. Such was my purpose for my rejoinder. Im asking.Thanks. But right here, thats a judgment and accusation against the Pope of teaching material heresy. Self-described feminist singer Paula Cole had a hit single in 1996 titled Where Have All the Cowboys Gone, in which she bemoaned the dearth of real men (Where is my John Wayne; where is my prairie song; where is my happy ending; where have all the cowboys gone?). Marshall: Honestly, Tim, I think Ive said this before, this statement bothers me more, I think its more heretical, more grievous than anything in Amoris Laetitia. (9:46 PM), No worries at all. Another wrong SSPX talking point. From what I understand, Tim fulfilled his shows and is now doing his own thing. I await your reply, Taylor Its sophistical to claim (ever) that its too late for civility. For context, here is one of the podcasts they did a while ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxoUW3Tn01Y. What theyre talking about hereis formal heresy.. That research that she just took represents years of my life. And its because their home life was ripped from them.. But the meaning of the Council inheres in the text, The world of text, hermeneutic, jurisprudence. Whats obtuse is a hermeneutic of intentionalism instead of a hermeneutic of textualism[.] Distinctions matter[.] Pope St. Leo IX: By passing a preceding judgment on the great See, concerning which it is not permitted any man to pass judgment, you have received anathema from all the Fathers of all the venerable Councils. Lets have robust discussion about the status of the SSPX (whom I still hold to be in objective schism) going forward, but in a spirit of Christian fraternity and unity. It is fixable. Its practically sedevacantist.. Anyone who accuses any Pope of teaching material heresy, or committing heresy is guilty of heresy, for rejecting the dogma that Popes cannot teach or commit heresy, and is guilty of schism, for refusing submission to the Pope. Care to say more than a drive-by insult, Fr Khouri? (10:25 AM), A) shes calling names, not me B) my daughter has brain surgery in 90 mins and many of these people want to go to war with good guys like FSSP. There are certainly a few factors, as with all etiologies, but I speculate that his evolution regarding SSPX was probably one of them. And it is contrary to the above discussed dogma that no Pope can teach heresy or grave error, i.e. Mind your business Steve [Skojec]. (8:33 PM), Never too late when people care for each other in true Christian charity (which I do for Taylor). To read the Kindle versions of my books, without a Kindle device, get the free cloud reader or any of the free Kindle reading apps. It is not submission to acknowledge that Pope Francis is the Pope. Marshall: theyre accusing him of the canonical delict of heresy. He was a Catholic for about 13 years. But after the fact of our sinfulness, our fallenness, our brokenness, given that many persons are weak in many ways, and so cannot bring themselves to accept the Catholic religion, God permits them other paths to salvation, which are nevertheless always through Christ and His Church (even though they may not realize this). Marshall then objects to the phrase in the Open Letter heretical Pope. (4-14-20, 4:56 PM), I dont think you get it. Truly care for him. Can we talk about that? Why the biblical analogy of Christ as Bridegroom and the Church as Bride remains the fundamental truth of the relationship between the sexes. Catholics are drama queens[.] And yet his accusers ignore his statements which agree with their point of view! But the other fault lines inherent in such an arbitrary and quasi-schismatic movement were bound to come out sooner or later. (11:30 PM), Dave and I guessabout the status of SSPX differently. And it feels like a worse betrayal because it was family.. To prove his point, David produced a 28-page side-by-side comparison of excerpts from his own manuscript and his sister-in-laws. God allowed this. We have to be able to have discussion intellectually, w/o the fomenting of the emotions. (2:00 PM), Yes theres a new theology that needs to be rejected. Steven OReilly made the obvious point in a tweet underneath Timothy Gordons (4-13-20, 5:20 PM): The problem is, in order to unite the clans, as in the analogy, a William Wallace is needed. Dont act as if fringe groups and their leaders arent the mob w/ gang bosses on Cath twitter. 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